1 (edited by ☭ Fokker 10-Mar-2009 14:43:39)

Topic: Obama ends stem cell funding ban

"US President Barack Obama has lifted restrictions on federal funding for research on new stem cell lines."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7929690.stm


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  This decision does not affect me, it will never affect me, and yet I care enough to post this. Why? The answer is simple: Life.
  I have always been needlessly open about my questionable sexuality and my mental health, just as I have been open about the abuse that is the root cause of my many problems. This openness comes from a desire to not lie to myself, to not become an unmedicated lunatic, to not live in a fantasy world, because nothing scares me more than not being in control, nothing scares me more than the prospect of losing my mind.
But I will lose my mind, it is inevitable.
  At this point I have been typing for 30 minutes, editing and re editing every other word because I now stuggle to not misspell even simple words like "word", or not get lost on the keyboard, even though I have already put several hours worth of thought into this post.
  My future contains nothing but senility, dementia, parkinsons, etc, because my past has caused physical damage to my brain, whole chunks of my memory have physically died as my brain has tried to protect me from knowing the full extent of the horror I suffered as a child.
  In the future I could be fixed, the damage reversed, the holes filled in with nice new neural tissue... in the future... and by then it will be too late.
I will be the youngest person in the Senile Ward, not even human any more, just a lump of man shaped flesh, an empty shell, being kept alive by machines and people that feed me, clean me, untill the day I finally, mercifully,  forget  how  to  breathe, and then, and only then will I be allowed to die.
  Stem cells could fix the damage, but by that time I will have faded away, but for others? Imagine how many lives we could save, how many people we could pull from the Abyss, with Embryonic Stem Cells, and only Embryonic Stem Cells.
Adult Stem Cells will never save me, at best they would only give me a fatal brain tumor, mercifully killing me before there is nothing left of me to kill. Or, if you believe in such things, sending me to heaven while there is still something left to send.
  So, to re itorate, why is this a good thing?
Life.
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Re: Obama ends stem cell funding ban

Here's the only comment you need to edit it:

Good.

Re: Obama ends stem cell funding ban

it's about time. -.-

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4 (edited by Chris_Balsz 09-Mar-2009 20:09:21)

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yeah stem cell therapy has worked SOOOOO well... /rolleyes

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Re: Obama ends stem cell funding ban

*sighs* Only problem in this day of age is that if something doesn't get results within X number of years they don't' think it's worth it.

Note: The research benefits other areas of expertise as well. Not just stem cell therapy.

Knowledge is never wasted, and I see no problem with lifting the ban. It was a silly ban to begin with that only allowed for other nations to get a jump start on our own research institutions.

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6 (edited by Justinian I 09-Mar-2009 20:33:37)

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I can't wait until we can design babies. I know it will result in a huge class difference of genetically engineered humans and everyone else, but that's the outcome I'm looking forward to.

Hell, we could grow clone armies!

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I want my own clone army. ^.^

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Re: Obama ends stem cell funding ban

We can already design babies...

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9 (edited by avogadro 09-Mar-2009 20:50:15)

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why am i not surprised. first he creates big government with trillions in new government spending, then he pushes for the government to control how the entire population lives and dies, now legalizes mass murder. he will go down in history right next to Hitler and Stalin.

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You know the embryonic stem cell lines were rendered irrelevant by current science, there are many lines with all the same promise as stem cells, and none of the 'baggage', yet the Democrats WANT TO FUND THE HELL OUT OF STEM CELLS since their donors happen to say 'oh I am stupid and know nothing, but I heard stem cells can cure xyz condition'

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yeah 2004 John Edwards, VP candidate of teh Democrat party, said Christopher Reeve would walk if Bush's order were reversed

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Flint thats a load of bullshit

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> sad sKoE )= wrote:

> Flint thats a load of bullshit


Not all of it.  There are multiple forms of adult stem cells that can be extracted without the need to destroy embryos.  Some examples would be bone marrow, stem cells from umbilical cords, and there has even been findings of stem cells in fat tissue.  All of these different sources of stem cells have the same qualities as embryonic stem cells.  The only difference would be that embryonic stem cell research is probably further advanced than alternative stem cell research due to previous funding in the program.

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14 (edited by Lizon 09-Mar-2009 21:28:27)

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I was just about to bring that point up. Their going to be destroyed anyways, so might as well use them for the greater good of science. Or are you suggesting that we take these eggs, stick them into matchboxes and bury them with a full funeral (yes I'm being sarcastic)?

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15 (edited by avogadro 09-Mar-2009 21:39:22)

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> Zidi wrote:

> > avogadro wrote:

> why am i not surprised. first he creates big government with trillions in new government spending, then he pushes for the government to control how the entire population lives and dies, now legalizes mass murder. he will go down in history right next to Hitler and Stalin.

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Firstly, most stem lines come from excess eggs during IVF. For IVF treatment they generally take 8-10 eggs, insert one or eight if your crazy, and save the rest in case you need to come in again later. Do you know what normally happens to these embryo's? They get washed down the drain for new space eventually. What is so wrong with using these IVF embryo's if consented by the parents? Also, its not mass murder. If that is consider murder, everytime one of your female friends menstrates do you go up to them and say "because you didnt get pregnant you just murdered two children" or every time you jack off "omg im a murderer." I realise they have 3-5 days of fertlisation, but essentially it boils down to the same question.


zidi, you're a dumbass. you obviously know nothing about this, when you use embryo and egg interchangeably.

eggs are no more a human being then any other cell. an embryo is a human being for all purposes other then religious individuals who insist being human requires certain physical characteristics such as a brain or a heart or live birth, but when you start defining humans by physical characteristics, you can start defining them by having certain skin color, height, or weight, someone who supports killing embryos is no better then someone who supports killing certain races, or overweight people, or short people.

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then you go back to the Tuskegee Experiments and the Nuremburg doctors.

they're already promoting "informed consent" as optional.  There's an ongoing experiment on accident victims in major cities.  Half of them will get a new form of trauma treatment, and the other half get the usual ER care from paramedics.  Nobody is asked what they prefer.  We'll know after they tally up the body count whether it makes sense or did harm.

The medical profession as a whole is every-ready to repeat the horrors of the 1930s.  If you let them.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6231099.stm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090305121649.htm
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/23/science/23cnd-stem.html
http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2004/11/21/new_technique_eyed_in_stem_cell_debate/
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Technology/Story?id=3250281&page=1
http://www.bio-medicine.org/medicine-news/Stem-cells---New-and-richer-source-found-1830-1/
http://www.boston.com/business/healthcare/articles/2009/03/02/new_stem_cell_method_could_avert_human_embryo_use/

All of this is separate research into the topic, with advances that all render moot using embryonic destruction methods. This is a hot topic of mine, so trust me I am informed.

There is about another half dozen methods they have found as well. Ranging from the liver producing stem cells, to stomach fat, to certain tissues (Not of the part that makes you think) in the brain, to a couple more methods.




So Skoe, I think you owe me an apology and a retraction.

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The only thing I am opposed to in this respect is the government funding of /any/ research whatsoever. Although I do, personally, celebrate many government-funded ventures and feel the efforts are worth it, such as the Large Hadron Collider and the in-development James Webb Space Telescope, I don't see why if these projects were so important they could not be funded privately.

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Re: Obama ends stem cell funding ban

Maybe cause government funded research in any field has been a common practice in our society since ancient times?

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How about because, although there are huge benefits in the long term for said projects, in the short term, they are wholly unprofitable?


Seriously, what new toothpaste will we be able to develop as a result of the LHC?

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Re: Obama ends stem cell funding ban

a fertilized egg has its own DNA distinct from that of the parents from conception.  everything from the fertility of your sperm when you hit puberty 13 years later to your baldness at age 40 is determined in hour one.

It is a matter of scientific FACT that humanity would be more efficient as an organism if it were a society of parthogenetic clones.  If women could impregnate and bear children without men, society could dispense with all the clutter, the violence, and the wasted time of dating, sex, and rape.  This is FACT, so your objections to the Lesbian Bitch State are purely cultural and subjective, and really ignorant of the Facts. Typical penis units.

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