Topic: An intervention in Pakistan

Do you think its necessary?

I honestly think the Pakistani government has failed in its duty to protect its own citizens, let alone to prevent such events as the Mumbai attack and recent events in Swat really do reveal how little the Pakistani government is in control.

Thoughts? Feelings?

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Bomb the schools.

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Pakistanis need to do it for themselves.

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Obviously they can't. Besides with Afghanistan now being systematically cleansed, the more extreme people are being pushed into Pakistan.

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They attacked a cricket team!

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It's pretty tragic that a government can't even protect it's own people.  I'd go as far as to call it a failed state.  I think it's imperative that the West send help to the Pakistani Army immediately.

I can give you a three word reason:  Pakistan has nukes.

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They not only have nukes,they have a real army,airforce and cruise missiles  too.
Also the idea of invading other countries under the pretext that "they failed to protect their citizens" is a stupid and dangerous concept.

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I would say they need to use some of their nukes on their own land then, would make one hella message to those supporting the terrorists, and pretty much wrap that shit up real fast.

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I'd say your an idiot.

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I heard some people above mention the Pakistani Army, they are in NO way to blame, it is the GOVERNMENT. It is those bloody money-greedy, f**king bastards, who'll go as far as killing their own wife to gain power and gain it despite having a criminal record. Trust me when I say if the Pakistan Army was given control, they would be control Pakistan much better than any government ever could, and don't get me started on Musharraf. He was a rogue, he had no real power in the Pakistani Army after a few months in power thus him accomplishing SQUAT. I personally hope/wish that the General right now comes into power, and he should only do it after consultation and with the support of the Kernels and other people immediately below in rankings.   

Some of you also mentioned nukes, the chances of that technology EVER getting into the hands of "terrorists" is less than microscopic. It is almost Impossible.

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Nothing is impossible, but i happen to agree with you Gladiator.

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It's close to impossible, VERY VERY close.

I hate how people think just because the government is corrupt, the army is useless. Pakistan's army is one of the strongest in the world and frankly if they gave even two shits about Al-Qaeda, Taliban or anyone in the tribal area, they would've been eliminated, but they see it as America's war and don't care for it.

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Nothing is impossible about putting an existing warhead on a truck and driving it to a wharf for Al Qaeda to collect.
While its unlikely a terror state could be stable enough for PRODUCTION of nuclear weapons, the likelihood of a terrorist outfit being gifted the PRODUCT is quite high, as it is the one way enemies of the American regime can employ such weapons against the American target without any fear of retaliation. Especially our fleet in the Persian Gulf, which permits unknown vessels to get within machine gun range.  The world knows--through American experimentation--what happens to even the largest warships a few miles from a submerged fission explosion.

There is no uncertainty about AQ attempting the use of an atomic bomb with skilled, trained professionals willing to die in the attempt. The only uncertainty is whether regimes possessing nukes hate us that much.

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> I hate how people think just because the government is
> corrupt, the army is useless. Pakistan's army is one of
> the strongest in the world

HAHAHAHA!
Since when??


And quality of an army is irrelevant against this type of warfare. Look how long it took the Americans to fail Iraq and how long the Coalition is still failing in Afghanistan. The US thinks its the top dog, and even it cant win against this sort of warfare -- how the buggery is Pakistan going to?

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" how the buggery is Pakistan going to?"

through sheer brutality and deception. I mean, pakistanis are much more likely to get information from the taliban because they will be trusted more. And also Pakistanis can be brutal and publicly execute large amounts of people for not cooperating. Pakistan has a lot more freedom in war that the US does not.

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Skoe, trust me!

I've visited Pakistan at lease 10 times, visits ranging from 2 months to 6 months. Although my parents aren't really of Pakistani heritage, a lot of my dad's side of the family lives there including 3 of my uncles who are in the army themselves. I've personally seen the determination, loyalty and respect of the Pakistani army. They are EXTREMELY organized, annoyingly organized, I would say. Although I'm not familiar with the army structures of many other countries, I can say that the Pakistani army is no where close to what is portrayed of it in the media. They are very much a people's voice, more so than the government. Very loyal and for these reasons are respected highly in Pakistan. They wouldn't ever fight someone Else's war, as it is seen in Pakistan.

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How come the Pentagon gives up without slagging a few dozen cities?

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I don't give a damn about other countries. We should fix our own problems while spying on them so we have advanced warning if they decided to do something stupid against us we can prevent it.

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Gladiator: Structure can only get you so far.

And with attacking Iran on the table for 2009/2010, i doubt the U.S. will even think twice about a pakistani intervention.

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Structure is the back bone of any army. Technology can only get you so far...at the end of the day it comes down to passion/will and organization. The pakistani army being an army force which would only engage in war witht the will of the people behind them, this makes them very strong in any war, compared to America which engages in a war despite anger from the people.

Now, I'm not saying that the Pakistani army is much stronger than the American army but saying that they're crap and no good(which seems to be the attitude in the general population/media) is a very baseless false statement.

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> The pakistani army being an army force which would
> only engage in war witht the will of the people behind
> them, this makes them very strong in any war, compared
> to America which engages in a war despite anger from the
> people.

So the armys failure to control people in Swat...?

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Who said the Pakistani government has a duty to protect their citizens?


Maybe they should all tote guns around and protect their own damn selves. If those deficient passengers had all pulled out automatics and started shooting at the attackers, they would have dropped quicker than Bre-X's stock.

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> Maybe they should all tote guns around and protect their
> own damn selves. If those deficient passengers had all
> pulled out automatics and started shooting at the attackers,
> they would have dropped quicker than Bre-X's stock.

Huh?
A full offensive against Swat revealed that the Army had no control.


Oh, and are you saying that Pakistan has a duty to allow and/or facilitate the training of its population in militant skills? Kind of like Iran does...?

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No I'm saying that civilians need to protect themselves.


All developing countries are dangerous. You need to protect yourself and not rely on the government.

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