Re: Resource-based economy
"Your trying to think of Socialism, which is a far cry from communism."
Lizon, go label your underwear.
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"Your trying to think of Socialism, which is a far cry from communism."
Lizon, go label your underwear.
So I take it by your response you concede the argument?
Then this thread is now closed then, the Xeno has conceded the point.
Xeno coneded the point 15 pages ago when he made it clear that he's a heavy drug abuser with no connection to reality. But he does advocate all of us getting high and joining him in utopia.
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I can't wait to move apartments and have real internet again to regain that joy. I'd smoke up and throw dynamite at other players.
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> Lizon wrote:
> So I take it by your response you concede the argument?
Then this thread is now closed then, the Xeno has conceded the point.
Xeno has conceded so many points in this thread, it's insane.
you guys are so mean to the poor kid... he is having dreams of grandeur..... poor little tyke, probably pst his bedtime...
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No, I don't concede any points. It isn't socialism. It is, actually, more closely related to libertarianism: each OGLU home functions off grid - without the need for much public infrastructure at all.
No need for the grid anymore with these OGLU units, which means smaller government, lower taxes, and more individual autonomy from the state.
Xeno, when you fail to answer an argument, the argument is conceded. It's not enough to just believe we're wrong. You have to actually say why we're wrong.
I don't see why Xeno gets Socialism and Communism mixed up so much. -.- It's not that hard of a concept to keep track of. When you were talking about this:
"Want to talk about communism. Ok. Look at how much the state controls the economy in our day and age. Look at the regulations preventing people from pursuing / starting their own business: licenses, permits, codes, mandatory insurance, fees, yadda, yadda. "
This is Marxism-Leninism, which is closer to socialism than communism. It's an in between.
What you WANT is a society with minimal to no government in which all basic needs are met, where people can reach a fulfillment of enlightenment.This is a Marxist or pure communist system. It is similar to the societies that were practices hundreds of years ago by Native Indian tribes in North America. They didn't have concepts such as hard currency. Oh they traded goods but those were little things, and mostly just items that they couldn't get on their own.
Maybe it's just that you didn't realize what you were talking about? That can be understandable I suppose, you thought it was a cool and neat idea but didn't realize that the idea was already thought of already.
In any case you have yet to refute or rebuttal the points made in well both of your threads.
He totally refuted everything you said a dozen times.
First, we create magical robots.
Second, our magical robots construct billions of magical OGLUs.
Third, we all live in orgasmic fantasy land happiness.
piff Fancsali you need to put that in 3 different posts... and have posts in between calling other posters idiots for pointing at all the holes in your argument...
Anyway I think what he is going for is more of a religion, you have to have faith that it works.... no proof only faith... and anything prooving ti wronmg is just sad people without enough faith to truely beleive...
That said i love where his faith is taking him, a perfect anarcho-communist-ecological society... What a perfect goal, humans living at peace with one another and the earth, ensuring that everyone is well cared for and no one takes more than their need, ensuring all our children have something to have. Getting there wil ltake a bit more than robotics, tree houses and faith, but doesn't mean we shouldn't have a dream.
My world still has something resembling money however...
"Xeno, when you fail to answer an argument, the argument is conceded"
What do you think this is, a university discussion forum or something? This isn't a place where you dictate the rules. Who the #@% do you think you are telling me what the rules are here. The rules do not apply here.
Here, I can ignore / respond to whatever I want. And I'm not going to respond to idiotic arguments.
/xeno doesn't cast pearls before swine
About the regulations and by-laws preventing the badly needed innovation in our societies: charge those who perpetuate this situation with being enemies of humanity; put them in jail and through away the key, and then change the laws to get our freedom back so we can move towards aour potential as a global society.
White-collar crooks, responsible for, as an example, the carcinogenic levels in our water supplies, are traitors of humanity, all species on Earth, and their accomplices are the law-makers who protect them from prosecution, and are thereby also traitors of humanity. History proves this is the case. They are guilty. Everyone knows this. And, soon enough, (probably within 50 years) they'll be held to account; the laws WILL REVERT back to times when liberty, freedom, and equality of opportunity for citizens WAS upheld. And then, finally, we might be able to go forward toward a better life.
Lines are drawn in the sand, now. It's only a matter of time before one side or the other dares to cross them.
In the past few decades, the white collar crooks have been tolerated because standards of living have been increasing. However, this trend is now reversing. It seems every generation of white-collar twits misses out on the lessons learned from history each generation. I really hope this generation is different, and that the banking industry, military industrialists, behind-the-scenes political elite, etc. don't make the same mistakes as in the past. They might think that this time they can get away with instilling complete social control due to their increased level of technology, but increased levels of technology are also available to common people as well. And the ingenious among the common people have just as much capability to ensure that individual freedom, equality of opportunity, and responsible government prevail as the criminal elements of the elite have the capability to sabotage it.
It would be wise to remember that there exists a state of M.A.D. - mutual-assured-destruction - between the law-making-governmental-financial-corporate-elite and the common people, regardless of how many tanks, jets, satellites, or nukes the former might have at their disposal.
The point: that there is no possible result but destruction on both sides if lawmakers continue to allow malevolent elite to have control over society.
Laws will necessarily be changed, adapted to suite the current level of technological potential for common people to live a better life, or lawmakers will be held to account for their ineptitude, greed, and coruption; will be jailed and replaced; and laws will be changed anyway. It is inevitable.
ok, what ever you are taking, stop... and it should become the #1 drug to target by any police drugs unit... cause man that is some fucked up shit you are sprouting.... and not the good kind...
I'm sprouting truth - for better or for worse.
no, no you aren't... you are sprouting drug fucked delusions...
> xeno syndicated wrote:
> "Xeno, when you fail to answer an argument, the argument is conceded"
What do you think this is, a university discussion forum or something? This isn't a place where you dictate the rules. Who the #@% do you think you are telling me what the rules are here. The rules do not apply here.
Here, I can ignore / respond to whatever I want. And I'm not going to respond to idiotic arguments.
/xeno doesn't cast pearls before swine
1: It's not "rules." It's logic. If someone has an answer to something, they say it if they want to actually win the argument.
2: If you win this argument, then I am going to assert one giant "You're wrong" with no justification. My "you're wrong" is just as legitimate as any post you made in this thread because who the hell do you think you are telling me how I can and can't argue?
3: It's not up to you to decide for yourself what argument is "idiotic." Frankly, Kemp thinks everything you have uttered is idiotic. Does that mean he should just ignore you? How would that actually result in any effective debate occurring if we just ignored anything we thought was stupid?
>>What do you think this is, a university discussion forum or something? This isn't a place where you dictate the rules. Who the #@% do you think you are telling me what the rules are here. The rules do not apply here.<<
Yeah, it is obviously that you are not bound by any general guidelines of reason that would prevent you from making no sense and appearing to be a complete retard to all of us.
>>And, soon enough, (probably within 50 years) they'll be held to account<<
Do you want to give us any evidence that the world is suddenly going to care more, not less? What is to say you don't have it backwards? Don't give us a single shred of evidence to support your baseless claim.
>>but increased levels of technology are also available to common people as well. <<
"as well"? The rate of increased levels of technology available to the rich always increases much faster. Your comparison doesn't work.
>>And the ingenious among the common people have just as much capability to ensure that individual freedom, equality of opportunity, and responsible government prevail as the criminal elements of the elite have the capability to sabotage it.<<
False. The elite have vast wealth with which to buy people. They buy lawmakers. They buy regulators and regulatory agencies. They do massive PR moves that convince the willfully ignorant populace to support them. To say they have "just as much capability" is about as false as a statement could possibly be. Good job. You're obviously high.
>>Laws will necessarily be changed, adapted to suite the current level of technological potential for common people to live a better life<<
What are you talking about? What is the current level or technological potential for the common people now? All those OGLUs and other devices you talk about are either nonexistant today or extremely costly because of the materials and mechanics they require to produce.
>>It is inevitable.<<
La la la la la la. As inevitable as your using more drugs tomorrow.
I do not use drugs nor do I deal in drugs. NATO military forces in Afghanistan, however - that's another matter.
Understand NATO is under suspicion for trafficking Afghan opium, flooding the world market with it to subsidize their operations, and understand that investigations into this activity are ongoing.
Understand that if Afghan opium production is not stopped, this suspicion will continue to grow; investigations will intensify; and the militaries of ALL the governments involved will be held to account, either for their blatant direct involvement in trafficking or complicity in it by doing nothing to stop it.
/xeno thinks this "war on terror" might turn into world opium war 2 by the end of the decade.
And you're accusing me of being a druggy. LOL
We are not NATO. I think you got confused. We don't use opium, nor do our friends and families. You do. Do you see the difference here?
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