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Arocalex

1.  Garand has very moderate recoil.  Try firing a 1903 Springfield.
2.  You are not supposed to shoot anybody with a Garand more than once in their lifetime.
3.  Try working on upper body strength a little.

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1) Global Warming is a farce, and is being pushed to make certain people and parties richer at cost of everyone else.

2) Reducing Taxes stops recessions and brings more money to the government, but not only are they raising taxes on those who actually pay them, as well as reducing the number who pay taxes, they are also spending at uncontrolled rates. The amount of cash the government is creating is as of Dec 22th 500% of normal. One can predict that based upon this, that we will have inflation as to be feared with your life. If you take all Dollars around the world then this is only a 3% increase, but when you take what the Federal Reserve put out then it was from an average of 5 billion dollars to 126.5 billion. The government takes in about 2.4 trillion dollars a year. We just spent in 4 months? 3 months? 2 months? Yeah you tell me ... 2 trillion dollars should this current bill pass. With a Legislature that has never considered working DOWN the debt or REDUCING the government do you think that this will ever be paid off?

So therefore they are digging a recessionary hole so deep, and inflationary so deep, as to defy logic, and they are doing it smiling. Conservatives know what is coming, we are stocking up on food, guns, and tools.

3) Unemployment will pass 15% for sure, probably past 25%, and even could reach 30% with this run-amok nation of ours. Take the perfect example of passing riches to the poor... A certain nation run by a certain POPULAR and OUTSPOKEN (Coincidentally black also) who raped the rich (whites btw) for the poor giving the poor the property of the rich. Mugabe is his name. This is spoken in many Republican circles as that nation now requires wheel barrels to buy a loaf of bread. Wheel Barrels full of cash.

4) With the growth of hostile nations, and those who say otherwise are ignoring history and current events for political purposes, our current leaders wish to GUT our military.

5) Nations who have tried super socialized health care have started running from those programs, or have experienced huge waiting periods for treatment. Those Top Democrats who advocate public health care will never stoop to go to an already existing public health care system. Kennedy? nope.

6) The true rich will never suffer like those who wish to become rich will suffer. Most of their worth, after removing their home, is in businesses where they can pass raised costs to the consumer, in non-taxable (or a pittance for them) items like paintings, cars, furniture, huge and expensive wardrobes, etc. They can last out a depression, the small guy cannot. Thus why most rich are advocating socialism is because they do not want competitors anymore. Competitors mean they have to try to keep their businesses value, lack of means no work, all pleasure for them.

7) If truly pushed the rich will leave. In fact they have one foot out at all times in places like the Bahamas, Sweden (though that is changing) and other banking safe holds. They can go on a permanent vacation from the United States if need be. An example of that working is that billionaire Clinton pardoned.

8) Business goes to the business friendly locations. If one State, say Idaho, has a much more favorable tax environment than say Oregon, then Idaho is going to get more businesses. In fact in trucking I have found, Illinois is skipped by all truck drivers who own their own trucks due to the very high tax costs added to fuel in Illinois, to the favor of the neighboring states.

9) Paying via taxation results in reduced efficiency, and we know this, we ALL know this. Only the supremely ignorant does not know this.

10) The recent bill (the first) signed by Obama is going to create a mess out of companies struggling to survive. Easier and better would have been to say "Any company not paying their people evenly will have the person at fault executed starting next year". Fear of execution would prevent future wrongs, would not bring back the ugly past during a time of crisis, and would not assist sue and burn style lawyers.

11) To many states do nothing against crime, or lip service. Those states which are controlling crime easily are non-stop assailed by various forces to try to make them get dragged down to the crime ridden states levels.

12) To many outside nations/personages seek to influence US actions, often against the best interests of the United States, and to many inside the US listen to those outsiders.

13) The School system is so tainted, so corrupt that even teachers admit it is so via sending their own children to private schools. And it will not change short of a civil war.

14) Environmentalists are going wild with lawsuits on everything, and attempting to pretty much destroy humanity, and the US is their most successful effort.
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> ☭ Fokker wrote:
  Can you actually back up any of this, or are you just surfing the rising mania again?
This is not a troll, I am genuinely interested in the subject, but I need to make sure. <

So... did I blink and miss the 14 points of back up?

great satan

>>1) Global Warming is a farce, and is being pushed to make certain people and parties richer at cost of everyone else.<<

For a project to be eligible to sell offsets, it is supposed to prove that it is "additional". "Additionality" is key to the design of the CDM. If projects would happen anyway, regardless of CDM benefits, then their offsets would not represent any reduction in emissions.

But judging additionality has turned out to be unknowable and unworkable. It can never be definitively proved that if a developer or factory owner did not get offset income they would not build their project or switch to a cleaner fuel supply- and would not do so over the decade for which projects can sell offsets.

The documents written by carbon consultants to justify why their clients' projects should be approved for CDM offsets contain enough lies to make a sub-prime mortgage pusher blush. One commonly used "scam" is to make a proposed project look like an economic loser on its own, but a profitable earner once offset income is factored in. Examples include the Indian wind developers who failed to tell the CDM about the lucrative tax credits their projects were earning.

Off-the-record, industry insiders will admit that deceitful claims in CDM applications are standard practice. The carbon trading industry lobby group, the International Emissions Trading Association (IETA), has stated that proving the intent of developers applying for the CDM "is an almost impossible task". Industry representatives have complained that "good storytellers" can get a project approved, "while bad storytellers may fail even if the project is really additional".

One glaring signal that many of the projects being approved by the CDM's executive board are non-additional is that almost three-quarters of projects were already complete at the time of approval. It would seem clear that a project that is already built cannot need extra income in order to be built.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/may/21/environment.carbontrading?gusrc=rss&feed=society

>>2) Reducing Taxes stops recessions and brings more money to the government, but not only are they raising taxes on those who actually pay them, as well as reducing the number who pay taxes, they are also spending at uncontrolled rates. The amount of cash the government is creating is as of Dec 22th 500% of normal. One can predict that based upon this, that we will have inflation as to be feared with your life. If you take all Dollars around the world then this is only a 3% increase, but when you take what the Federal Reserve put out then it was from an average of 5 billion dollars to 126.5 billion. The government takes in about 2.4 trillion dollars a year. We just spent in 4 months? 3 months? 2 months? Yeah you tell me ... 2 trillion dollars should this current bill pass. With a Legislature that has never considered working DOWN the debt or REDUCING the government do you think that this will ever be paid off?

So therefore they are digging a recessionary hole so deep, and inflationary so deep, as to defy logic, and they are doing it smiling. Conservatives know what is coming, we are stocking up on food, guns, and tools. <<

http://www.kcbs.com/Sharp-Rise-in-Gun-Sales/3280353
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/oct/28/bay-area-gun-sales-rise-ahead-election/
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/130491

>>3) Unemployment will pass 15% for sure, probably past 25%, and even could reach 30% with this run-amok nation of ours. Take the perfect example of passing riches to the poor... A certain nation run by a certain POPULAR and OUTSPOKEN (Coincidentally black also) who raped the rich (whites btw) for the poor giving the poor the property of the rich. Mugabe is his name. This is spoken in many Republican circles as that nation now requires wheel barrels to buy a loaf of bread. Wheel Barrels full of cash. <<

Chinamasa was presenting a 66,500,000,000,000,000,000-Zimbabwean dollar ($3 billion) government budget in both foreign currency and the local unit, amid world-record hyperinflation last officially set at 231 million per cent.

Fees at state institutions such as hospitals and tertiary education facilities were listed in US dollars, while the country's power, water and state-run fuel utilities will also charge money in forex.

A hospital visit for an adult will cost $US8 and a term at medicine school will cost $US1800.

The country's financial ruin has added to the chronic hunger and a runaway cholera epidemic, which has killed more than 3000, faced by ordinary Zimbabweans.

Southern African leaders see a unity government as the best chance to rescue Zimbabwe and are pushing for President Robert Mugabe and rival Morgan Tsvangirai to share power by mid-February.

But the opposition has yet to decide if it will join Mugabe, who has ruled Zimbabwe since independence from Britain in 1980.

Speaking on the sidelines of the World Economic Forum in Davos, Kenyan Prime Minister Raila Odinga suggested on Thursday that the "dinosaur" 84-year-old should be offered a "golden handshake" to leave office.

He criticised fellow African leaders without the courage to tell Mugabe to leave and said the world should tell him "the time to go is now, we are ready to give you a golden handshake if you will quit".

Mugabe's reputation has plummeted from an African liberation hero to a despot, who has ruined his once-prosperous country.

In June the World Food Program estimated that 5.1 million Zimbabweans would need aid by this month, but the actual figure was 35 per cent higher.

"The economic situation has worsened more dramatically than we had anticipated," WFP regional spokesman Richard Lee said.

The agency is being forced to halve cereal rations given to hungry Zimbabweans so that all in need can receive aid, with food aid being distributed in every district in the country, he added.

The UN's Office for the Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs also said on Thursday that, out of the country's 12 million people, only 480,000 have formal jobs, down from 3.6 million in 2003.

"At close of 2008, only 6 per cent of the population was formally employed, down from 30 per cent in 2003," the agency said.

Zimbabwe's economy has shrunk by more than 45 per cent over the past five years, leaving half of Zimbabwe's urban population relying on remittances from friends and family overseas, the report said.

Feuding political rivals Mugabe and Tsvangirai have failed to agree on a power-sharing deal signed six months ago, after disputed elections last March in which the veteran leader suffered his first loss at the polls.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/231000000-inflation-zim-dollar-dumped/2009/01/30/1232818687057.html

>>4) With the growth of hostile nations, and those who say otherwise are ignoring history and current events for political purposes, our current leaders wish to GUT our military. <<

Frank says that's a mistake. "To accomplish his goals of expanding health care and other important quality of life services without ballooning the deficit," Frank noted, Obama has no choice but to decrease military spending. He said that spending excessive amounts of money on the defense budget "precludes" the Obama administration from addressing other priorities: "If we do not get military spending under control, we will not be able to respond to important domestic needs."

Acknowledging that Obama does plan to save hundreds of billions of dollars by withdrawing from Iraq, Frank said the President must go further and take big whacks at big-ticket military projects. He pointed to programs like the Air Force's F-22 fighter, the Osprey troop transport, and missile defense as expensive, unnecessary Cold War-era boondoggles. He singled out missile defense in Eastern Europe as a particularly wasteful use of American taxpayers' money. "I will confess that I am not a regular reader of Iranian-issued fatwahs," Frank quipped. "And probably one of the ones I missed was the one where they threatened devastation against Prague. We plan to spend several billion dollars to protect the Czech Republic against Iran. That's either a great waste of money or a very belated way to make up for Munich."
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2009/02/barney-frank-obama-cut-military-spending

NONE of those were proposed during the Cold War...if that's what Obama meant by "Cold War systems we don't use" he lied yet again..

>>5) Nations who have tried super socialized health care have started running from those programs, or have experienced huge waiting periods for treatment. Those Top Democrats who advocate public health care will never stoop to go to an already existing public health care system. Kennedy? nope. <<

"DURHAM, North Carolina (CNN) -- Sen. Edward Kennedy was released Monday from Duke University Medical Center in North Carolina after recovering from brain surgery, CNN has learned.

Kennedy, 76, will return to his home in Hyannisport, Massachusetts, after undergoing a 3

einstein your sig makes me giggle

atleast he didnt lie about stuff like... i dunno...WMD to start a war which would completly drain the eco of his nation ?

lets see, 600 billion over 5 years for Iraq.

4 trillion dollars almost over 1 year with Obama, and he has yet to finish that first year by a long shot.

Which one cost more overall so far? (Btw I subtracted 2 trillion cause thats normally the budget)

Re #2-- The US is spending out of control-- Jim Cramer of CNBC 'My Response to the White House':

"You can argue, of course, that Obama inherited one of the worst hands in the world. I had been a relentless critic of the Bush administration's "stewardship" of the economy, calling repeatedly for changes to avert the disaster that I saw coming, although perhaps Gibbs hasn't seen my CNBC meltdown. Seemed pretty prescient to me.

I, like everyone else, have made less authoritative and wrong statements in the past, but that rant still stands as something that I am sure everyone in the Bush administrations' Treasury and Fed listened to. My calls to sell 20% of your stocks in September at Dow 11,000 and then all of your stock if you need the money for the next five years at Dow 10,000 in October, might have eluded Gibbs, too.
But Obama has undeniably made things worse by creating an atmosphere of fear and panic rather than an atmosphere of calm and hope. He's done it by pushing a huge amount of change at a very perilous moment, by seeking to demonize the entire banking system and by raising taxes for those making more than $250,000 at the exact time when we need them to spend and build new businesses, and by revoking deductions for funds to charity and that help eliminate the excess supply of homes.

We had a banking crisis coming into this regime, but now every area is in crisis. Each day is worse than the previous one for this miserable economy and while Obama's champions cite the stimulus plan, it's really just a hodgepodge of old Democratic pork and will not create nearly as many manufacturing or service jobs as we hoped. China's stimulus plan is the model; ours is the parody. "

http://www.thestreet.com/story/10468397/3/cramer-my-response-to-the-white-house.html

Yeah, because that wasn't the cause of our last civil war or anything.

Obama is smart?

He's a poor speaker. He has no education on economics. He's a liar. I see no indication that he is "smart" in any way.

Chris Mathews has tingling feelings run up his leg when he sees Obama. That must make him smart.