1 Topic by Justinian I (edited by Justinian I 06-Mar-2009 06:23:55)

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Topic: United West

What do you guys think about a united Western world?

Western countries are:

1. European countries, extending to Russia and Turkey.
2. USA
3. Canada
4. Australia
5. South Africa
6. Possibly Japan

And possibly a few others.

What do you think of a unified western world? I don't necessary mean a merged nation-state, but perhaps something weak like the EU. There's a common currency and governing body, but individual states still retain a great deal of autonomy.

I think something like it could happen, assuming that an alliance with the US doesn't become more costly than one with another great power. I would think that in the future, with other emerging great powers, that it would be in the best interest of Western countries to improve their ties. The US is exhausting its resources on strategically empty wars and a unilateral foreign policy (forcing it to change its ways), and I can see how it could be conceivable that the change in US foreign policy would result with closer ties to Europe and other Western countries down the road. This increased mutual reliance could lead to an idea of a United West in the same way that a United Europe emerged after WW2, but of course is still far from being realized (but possibly moving closer in that direction).

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No way my people would stand for it.

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Well, sitting...maybe.


But definitely not standing.

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Re: United West

Nope.

The thing with the EU is that the only reason why it "works" is because all the countries have relatively close ties.

Now, I could see the US and Canada easily fit this mold and join in.  Japan?  Yup.  Australia?  More than likely.  South Africa?  Eh, I guess... hell, maybe even Turkey.

But Russia?  Hell no!

The problem is Russia doesn't have the internal checks that other nations have.  That means they're politically a loose cannon, so to speak.  No way I would want a shared currency with Russia.

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5 Reply by Justinian I (edited by Justinian I 06-Mar-2009 06:33:55)

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Re: United West

> sad sKoE )= wrote:

> Well, sitting...maybe.


But definitely not standing.>

Lol probably not now. The US wouldn't either now. I'm just saying that I think over several decades, it is a plausible outcome. After all, it took 40 years since ideas of a united Europe were circulating after WW2 until the significant move in that direction started with the EU. I think the predicted political atmosphere of the next several decades could bring Western countries close enough for that outcome to be acceptable. Ofc, it isn't today lol. Nonetheless, I see elements of an emerging "Western identity."

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> Zarf BeebleBrix wrote:

> Nope.

The thing with the EU is that the only reason why it "works" is because all the countries have relatively close ties.

Now, I could see the US and Canada easily fit this mold and join in.  Japan?  Yup.  Australia?  More than likely.  South Africa?  Eh, I guess... hell, maybe even Turkey.

But Russia?  Hell no!

The problem is Russia doesn't have the internal checks that other nations have.  That means they're politically a loose cannon, so to speak.  No way I would want a shared currency with Russia.>

Err you misinterpreted me. I meant to the border of Russia! That means most every country in between the Atlantic and the Russian border, in Europe.

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Nobody's going to want an alliance with the US as it becomes more flaccid as it adopts more socialist policies and its former economic might is flushed away.

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> Justinian I wrote:

> > Zarf BeebleBrix wrote:

> Nope.

The thing with the EU is that the only reason why it "works" is because all the countries have relatively close ties.

Now, I could see the US and Canada easily fit this mold and join in.  Japan?  Yup.  Australia?  More than likely.  South Africa?  Eh, I guess... hell, maybe even Turkey.

But Russia?  Hell no!

The problem is Russia doesn't have the internal checks that other nations have.  That means they're politically a loose cannon, so to speak.  No way I would want a shared currency with Russia.>

Err you misinterpreted me. I meant to the border of Russia! That means most every country in between the Atlantic and the Russian border, in Europe.


Oh.  Fair enough.

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No! Not fair enough X(. Go sit in the corner.

And over decares anything is likely to happen. With increasing technology and more sophisticated WMDs the future could very well be unpredictable.

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Re: United West

Dump South Africa and Turkey and you've got a deal.

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all of the americas could join really...

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12 Reply by tavius (edited by tavius 06-Mar-2009 10:25:33)

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Re: United West

The Australian PM Kevin Rudd has already talked about the possibility of the beginning of an Asian Union, of which Australia would be a part of.

A united Western coalition will only speed up such considerations as well as cause other parts of the world to form their own blocs in order to try to preserve some balance of power, if only to prevent a recurrence of what transpired during the Colonial Ages.

Initial possible composition of the Asian Union:

- Australia
- New Zealand
- China
- India
- ASEAN (Vietnam, Thailand, Singapore, Laos, Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, Brunei...etc.)
- Pakistan
- Sri Lanka
- Mongolia
- South Korea
- Japan (?)
- Various Central Asian states
...etc.

This could be extended later to include members of the Arab League, Russia (most likely only to ever remain a trade or currency partner at best) and if the rules are jigged a little, any other country which borders the Pacific.

It may be enough to provide some form of a counter-balance and would be somewhat inspiring - seeing as many on the list happen to be many of those formerly colonised and oppressed.

Will probably also lead to something similar occurring in S.America and Africa.

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New World Order

The end is nigh.

I have no idea what I'm doing.

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Re: United West

If an Asian Union ever were to form I hope our Western leaders will do their best to destabilize it asap.

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Why destabilize it?


Aussies can control it big_smile.

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IF stupid aussies don't then us kwis will... we are smarter after all...

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Re: United West

half the population of the US is retarded sad

id rather not be in 1 league with them

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Re: United West

It would not work.
It would not work for a good reason.

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Re: United West

So, we dump the Japs and the French, problem solved!

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Wouldn't work.  America would leave after they realized they were the only one who wanted to start a war every 10 years or so.

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Re: United West

if you jerks wanted to be united with Asia you could have told us in 1941, spared us some trouble X(

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Re: United West

huh?


I don't want to be united with Japan. Im pretty damed sure the majority of Chinese, Korean and PNGians are with me on that.

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