Topic: Which empire do you think will collapse first

due to the current global crisis?
Either economically,demographic,seperatism,war or other factors.

a) USA
b) EU
c) Russia
d) China

The inmates are running the asylum

Re: Which empire do you think will collapse first

E) Antartica!!!!!

Re: Which empire do you think will collapse first

In this order:

1) USA
Due to spending ourselves into a super bankruptcy, with a nation teetering on civil war, and with 50% of our nation being idiots who think that we are 'to big to fail' and sadly with them having pretty much uncontestable power.

2) China
For two decades their entire growth was due to US purchases of their goods. The severe trade imbalance allowed them a utopian type growth unparalleled short of US growth. They have been trying prior to the economic collapse to keep their currency at a low level compared to the US Dollar so they could keep this growth. However as soon as the collapse started around the  world they started having true issues. In fact some several ten thousands of companies have shuttered their doors there, showing a true issue for the Chinese... If America collapses then so does China. Rising civil unrest has started to pass Tiananmen Square for total involved, though it is much more decentralized as of yet. However this will grow as unemployment grows and people do not get a job again.

3) EU
Without a strong trade partner, and with pacifistic ideals, they will bow under the pressure of Russia with their gas monopoly. Fearful of being involved in any wars they will concede to many things to Russia in exchange for the oil/gas. Also sadly is that while the US goes down, Islam will think it is a holy time to strike against the infidels of the West, and of the West Europe is the easiest to reach, and is also saturated with Islamic enclaves at this time. A surplus of illegal and easily obtained weapons will result in the defenseless populations (Excepting a few notable nations where the gun rights are supreme) being severely cut down. Deaths will be in the millions for sure. This will go on until the United States recovers under a Conservative who will then rescue the pacifists again.



Other nations which will suffer:

Afghanistan
Pakistan
India
Iraq
Iran
Israel
Syria
Lebanon
Etriea
Ethopia
Somalia
Sudan
Bosnia
Poleland
Ukraine
Georgia
Vietnam
N. & S. Koreas
Taiwan
Japan
The Philippines
Australia
Thailand
Indonesia
Saudi Arabia
Kuwait
Turkey
and a few of the African Nations.


Also there is a chance Venezuela could get invaded by Columbia for financing the rebels in Columbia.

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Re: Which empire do you think will collapse first

With other words the entire world will suffer the end of mankind.

Re: Which empire do you think will collapse first

I never would have believed the Mayan calendar thing before, but now I am seriously wondering if God gave them a prophet who foretold the coming end of days...

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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Re: Which empire do you think will collapse first

dont be so negative, in a few years this will all be forgotten, no big nations are going to collapse
also there are no muslims gonna invade europe haha

Re: Which empire do you think will collapse first

"I never would have believed the Mayan calendar thing before, but now I am seriously wondering if God gave them a prophet who foretold the coming end of days..."

You can't be serious.....
Besides, the mayas didn't see 2012 as the end of the world nor was there a prophet involved. Their time calculation system would just get to 13.0.0. The whole end of the world thing is a western interpretation based on 13 being unlucky. The Mayas themselves saw it as the end of an era and the start of a new one. So, at best "the end of the world AS WE KNOW IT".. tongue

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8 (edited by Wild Flower Soul 04-Mar-2009 17:22:41)

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omg einstein is such a idiot!

You blaim Obama and the democrats for everything atm, but it was your republican bush that [] up the economy by spending billions to get into 2 wars which both were unneeded

<@Nolio> Ilu was the man back in the day,he even made monkeywrench and arganon look good for half a round =p
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<@Nolio> *half a round  =p
<@iluvatar> still
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9 (edited by Wild Flower Soul 04-Mar-2009 17:23:04)

Re: Which empire do you think will collapse first

> Dirty Iluvatar wrote:

> omg einstein is such a idiot!

You blaim Obama and the democrats for everything atm, but it was your republican bush that [] up the economy by spending billions to get into 2 wars which both were unneeded


if Bush spending billions caused the problem, then Obama spending trillions is doing alot more harm to the economy then Bush ever did.

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the first patch off 700b was already planned and agreed upon during bush

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<@iluvatar> it is my grandest achievement
<@Nolio> *half a round  =p
<@iluvatar> still
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Re: Which empire do you think will collapse first

Neither, well no Russia might.

US and the EU know what needs to be done in this type of situation anyways, and will adapt and get through this "crisis" in good shape and come out stronger than before. China won't allow itself to fall, it's that simple over there. -.- Russia is the weak link, if they learned their lessons after the collapse of the USSR they could survive this situation on relatively good shape. Course Russia also has a good history of not earning form their own mistakes.

It's times like these that all the doomsayers and fear mongers come out of the wood works. Can't wait till 2012 and the whole end of the Mayan calender fun that will bring us. ^.^

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Re: Which empire do you think will collapse first

2012 is the new Y2K.

Caution Wake Turbulence

Re: Which empire do you think will collapse first

"2012 is the new Y2K."

Sweet those Y2k lunatics were hillarious.  can't wait til I see people buying enough bottled water, dehydrated food, and toilet paper to fill 3 18 wheelers.

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Re: Which empire do you think will collapse first

> DPS wrote:

> "2012 is the new Y2K."

Sweet those Y2k lunatics were hillarious.  can't wait til I see people buying enough bottled water, dehydrated food, and toilet paper to fill 3 18 wheelers.


this time around i think im going to just buy abunch of beer and firearms...

Re: Which empire do you think will collapse first

EU is already creaking.  I think it clear it will not advance further towards unity for a generation; it might break up in twenty years.  Eurozone is become as predicted, the 4th Reich; a penny-pinching 4th Reich that enjoys the Freedom From Subsidizing Foriegners.  "We want no Czechs!"--Adolf Hitler

"The United States of America" as Teddy Roosevelt knew it is already DEAD.  Whether the US as Reagan knew it can last another 20 years is really doubtful; there will still be something on the map called the United States but it will probably be more like a revolving dictatorship than a free republic.  We openly rate our Presidents by how well they serve the corporate ogliarchs and the civil service (Bush failed miserably--he presumed to dictate policy to his advisors!!!, Clinton good but flawed, Obama can still prove himself)

Russia is about to blow up large. I expect Russian naval bases throughout NATO by 2015, because a) they like that sort of thing and b) you like to eat hot food in winter and c) Uncle Sucker will be preoccupied with his own navel.

China, I don't know.  From what I hear there is real popular, man-in-the-street pride in the first unified Chinese govt since 1911 and the strongest since 1800.  For sure, nobody else is going to contest the PRC's control of the population and the territory.  Whether the PRC can keep the Chinese together under the PRC is something else.  Mao couldn't rein in a pissed off China any better than the Dowager Empress.   Development and Solidarity are still more important than Freedom and personal prosperity, apparently, so they may continue to surf the ocean for some time.

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Re: Which empire do you think will collapse first

Seems their already out in force (see above) ^.^

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Re: Which empire do you think will collapse first

Belgium.

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Re: Which empire do you think will collapse first

>>this time around i think im going to just buy abunch of beer and firearms...<<

" 'Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms' oughta be a department store not a bureaucracy!"

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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Patton was wrong...

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Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

Re: Which empire do you think will collapse first

If Russia were to become "hot" and prepare for war under Obama, would he be able to handle it, along with the other pressures of a spiralling descent of global crisis? Provided China didn't strengthen ties with Russia inevitably bringing the EU into it (whether they were the initial targets or not).
Or would the pressures of the States upon itself force hostility and vulnerability into starting something with Russia once the oil runs out? Or the EU vs. Russia?


I think a good war would do the world some good. Cull the population a bit and force the survivors into recognising what the problems were beforehand and build a more stable global structure.

Its no fun until someone dies.
Cos I need to watch things die.

Re: Which empire do you think will collapse first

> extreme wrote:

> I think a good war would do the world some good. Cull the population a bit and force the survivors into recognising what the problems were beforehand and build a more stable global structure.


This isn't 1914.  We can't just go to war with giant powers and expect the world to get everything back to normal in 20 years.  They're called thermonuclear weapons, and, once used, they ensure that there are no "survivors" to "build a more stable global structure."

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Re: Which empire do you think will collapse first

Well it is assumed that no state is stupid enough to use thermonukes or any nukes for that matter. Also, these wars might happen but both sides will realize that neither will win with a complete occupation of the enemy. So they will most likely have a ceasefire soon before we got to the level of nukes.

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"EU is already creaking.  I think it clear it will not advance further towards unity for a generation; it might break up in twenty years.  Eurozone is become as predicted, the 4th Reich; a penny-pinching 4th Reich that enjoys the Freedom From Subsidizing Foriegners.  "We want no Czechs!"--Adolf Hitler"

Comparing the EU with the 3rd Reich is unethical and nonsensical tongue The EU is a slowly advancing machine. It'll not collapse, it'll slowly unite nations..

"Russia is about to blow up large. I expect Russian naval bases throughout NATO by 2015, because a) they like that sort of thing and b) you like to eat hot food in winter and c) Uncle Sucker will be preoccupied with his own navel."

This is typicall russian. They announced to renew  their navy indeed, yet they don't have any construction site that's large enough and operational that could build new vessels. Also, they don't have the money to either build or support them..

"China, I don't know.  From what I hear there is real popular, man-in-the-street pride in the first unified Chinese govt since 1911 and the strongest since 1800.  For sure, nobody else is going to contest the PRC's control of the population and the territory.  Whether the PRC can keep the Chinese together under the PRC is something else.  Mao couldn't rein in a pissed off China any better than the Dowager Empress.   Development and Solidarity are still more important than Freedom and personal prosperity, apparently, so they may continue to surf the ocean for some time."

China will soon or late suffer a civilian uprising....

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I think this thread should be abandoned, what we need is a new thread where everyone can post nonsensical exaggerations!

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Re: Which empire do you think will collapse first

No, this thread should be used to promote;

http://www.totalwar.com/empire/?t=EnglishUSA


You can topple whichever empire you want! I just ordered it, I'm psyched! Can't wait to erase some natives from existence. wink

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