Re: K'Naan - Troubadour

We need more sports teams spittin' lyrics!

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

27 (edited by avogadro 03-Mar-2009 03:12:41)

Re: K'Naan - Troubadour

> Gladiator wrote:

>


Avo, like always, you don't know what you're saying. Shallowness? Just because I'm posting about an upcoming artist from my second hometown who has actually been able to put the meaning back into the genre of music I've grown up with?


you mistake the use of controversial words, such as "Iraq" with actual meaning. his songs have as much meaning as Kelis's "Milkshake" if an artist uses the n-word, it doesnt make his song meaningful; same thing with saying something about Iraq.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CIUkmERKA4

28 (edited by Gladiator 03-Mar-2009 03:51:57)

Re: K'Naan - Troubadour

Avo, have you heard the song?

have you read the lyrics?

A child could figure out that he's talking about justifying the choices he makes and others make, the rationale for those choices and the consequences we face due to those choices. He expresses this through many different stories, one where a soldier justifies his decision for "fighitng in a war [he] doesn't believe in" by saying that that wars have been fought since the time of Jesus. Another story in the same song, explores the trouble for women and the women he talks of decides not to put a price on herself by engaging in sexual acts with her boss just for her job.

How can you not figure this out? Is your imagination really that dead?

BTW this is specifically for the song that mentions the Iraq war it's called "People like me". If you say it has nothing to do with politics, I could pose the question does it justify the Iraq war by saying that wars have been fought for as long as we know?

Re: K'Naan - Troubadour

"one where a soldier justifies his decision for "fighitng in a war [he] doesn't believe in" by saying that that wars have been fought since the time of Jesus"

yeah, and thats shallow as hell.

Re: K'Naan - Troubadour

*sigh*

Avo you're hopeless =S

31 (edited by avogadro 03-Mar-2009 04:36:34)

Re: K'Naan - Troubadour

> Gladiator wrote:

> *sigh*

Avo you're hopeless =S


and you're a retard tongue

dumbest logic ever. it happened in the past, so i should do it now. no one can be that stupid naturally; did your mom do crack when she was pregnant with you? hell, that wouldnt even explain it; she would have to do multiple things like, crack, alcohol, and smoking while she was pregnant, and then drop you on your head like 2 dozen times and accidentally put you in a microwave on high for 10 secs as an infant.

you're a better argument for abortion then anything else i've ever come across.

Re: K'Naan - Troubadour

*sigh*

Please grow up Avo, for everyone's sake and most importantly your own sake, and instead of arguing and posting just so you can be against something I propose, argue with bringing something to the table.

Stop acting like such a child.

33 (edited by avogadro 03-Mar-2009 04:42:54)

Re: K'Naan - Troubadour

i am grown up; im not the retard who uses the excuse that something has happened in the past, so i should do it in the present. or the retard that thinks the other retard's excuse is deep and intriguing logic. there is no reasoning with people your lvl of stupidity.

Re: K'Naan - Troubadour

Clearly you haven't.

Avo why do you treat my comments as if they were meant to refute, when it is just adivce, you're calling me a retard for sharing the meaning of the lyrics from a song created by an upcoming artist who I think will change the hip-hop genre for good.

Gosh, even after I put it together and spell it out for you, you still do not get it. First of all it is not me who the lyrics are sung by, so I don't know why you keep referring to me for. He's trying to justify his actions by saying that war always has been a part of any society so it can't be wrong..right? You're saying that it sounds ridiculuous which is EXACTLY the point.

Like I said before, avo you don't know what you're talking about, I don't think you read the lyrics, and if you didn't go read them and then come back, if you read them, read them again becaue you clearly do not understand.

35 (edited by avogadro 03-Mar-2009 05:36:20)

Re: K'Naan - Troubadour

"First of all it is not me who the lyrics are sung by, so I don't know why you keep referring to me for."

idiot that believes the other idiot is the larger idiot.

"You're saying that it sounds ridiculuous which is EXACTLY the point. "

its only a point if thats an argument people use, which it isnt. making the point that the sky is blue is only a point if people actually think its not blue. he doesnt present an argument why it is is ridiculous, he relies on the ridiculousness of it to do it, which shows that he knows that everyone knows its ridiculous, so there is no point, so its shallow. whats his next song going to be about? that B is not the first letter int he alphabet?

Re: K'Naan - Troubadour

I'm holding back because if I launched into a criticism of the music for being juvenile, shallow, and lacking any insight or beauty I'd end up making fun of Gladiator for being like 12 years old. And that'd be mean.

[I wish I could obey forum rules]

Re: K'Naan - Troubadour

Until the mentality
That holds one race superior
And another, inferior,
Is overcome, and destroyed,
There will be war.

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

Re: K'Naan - Troubadour

Avo, it's human nature for someone to try to justify their sins by sometimes things that sound childish. I'm not saying that the Iraq war is a sinful act but this is exactly how the man whoose story is told feels because other people around him feel this way:
"My homeys said I was stupid for even joining
My counsellor said that my decision was disappointing "

He tries to justify this by basically saying how it can't be just his fault:
"Well the answer is it's not me where the cancer is
they been doing this before Jesus of Nazereth
and after all this time it is still deadly hazardous..."

Then we're lead into the chorus where the themes I mentioned before play out again
"Heaven, is there a chance that you could come down
and open doors to hurtin people like me
People like me"



BTW, avo did you read the lyics yet? what I provided probably isn't enough to get a meaning of the whole song..

Re: K'Naan - Troubadour

How deep.

[I wish I could obey forum rules]

Re: K'Naan - Troubadour

> K. William Fancsali wrote:

> How deep.

lol

Re: K'Naan - Troubadour

yep it's deep if you open your eyes and ears

42 (edited by avogadro 03-Mar-2009 20:50:25)

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yeah, i must not be listening because i disagree with you, you close-minded bastard. i dont entirely blame you; you're black; if the music isnt telling you to bang some whore or get rich by getting your friends and family addicted to drugs, its deep in your eyes.

43 (edited by Chris_Balsz 03-Mar-2009 21:18:52)

Re: K'Naan - Troubadour

WTF more flaming
where's a forum nazi when you need one

deep lyrics?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH1VUsURuuU

Shocklee - Sadler - Ridenhour
I get down to what it is
And if it ain't funky (see ya)
People askin' me what's goin' on
With my mind
(Huh) wait a minute
It's just a matter of race
Cause a black male's in their face
Step back for the new jack swing
On the platter scatter huh
We got our own thing
Just jam to let the rhyth run
Day to day, America eats it's young
And defeats our women
There is a gap so wide we all can swim in
Drown in (uh get down) an get it
Got it goin' on wit it
Sister (hey) soul sister
We goin' be all right
It takes a man to take a stand
Understand it takes a
Woman to make a stronger man
(As we both get strong)
They'll call me a crazy Asiatic
While I'm singin' a song
Oh my god, oh my lord
I can't hold back
But I get exact on a track
It's an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth
Forget about me
Just set my sister free
R-e-s-p-e-c-t my siters, not my enemy
(Cause we'll be stronger together)
And make the suckers say
(Damn) this generation
They don't know what we got goin' is (sound)
To turn it all around
To my sisters I communicate
With the bass and tone
Thru speakers and the microphone
Cause I'm tired of America dissin' my sisters
(For example, like they dissed Tawana)
And they try to say she's a liar
My people don't believe it
But even now they're getting higher
Of the feeling inspiration
We must know that in this nation
Every single generation
(They teach us how to dis our sisters)
Stange as you say, I say revolution
Need for change brings on revolution
The great book just look see solution
God chooses who and what for the bruisin'
There's been no justice for none
Of my sisters
Just us been the ones that's been missin' her
Now we got to protect
We get together and damn this generation
I said so to what it is
Where it is
She needs a li'l respect
There it is
I say she needs a lotta
Brother from a mother like me has gotta
Give it up
Give it now
And pass it all around
To my soul (sister)
They disrespected mama and treated her like dirt
America took her, reshaped her, raped her
Nope, it never made the paper
Beat us, mated us
Made us attack our woman in black
So I said sophisticated B, don't be one
Not to head the warning crack of dawn
Or is it the dawn of crack?
Stop the talk they say, but
We talk and say whats right or wrong
Some say we wasting time singin' a song
But why is it that we're many different shades
Black woman's privacy invaded years and years
You cannot count my mama's tears
It's not the past but the future's
What she fears
Strong we be strong
The next generation
It's what not who we are facin'
The fingers pointed to us in our direction
The blind state of mind needs correction
Word to the mother we tighten connection
To be a man you need no election
This generation generates a new attitude
Sister to you we should not be rude
So we come together
And make 'em all say
Damn this generation


but screw that and get crunk to solja boy, huh!!! Jesus.

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

44 (edited by Gladiator 03-Mar-2009 21:18:12)

Re: K'Naan - Troubadour

> avogadro wrote:

> yeah, i must not be listening because i disagree with you, you close-minded bastard. i dont entirely blame you; you're black; if the music isnt telling you to bang some whore or get rich by getting your friends and family addicted to drugs, its deep in your eyes.



Bravo...avo reveals his true self smile
Like I said before, you are acting like a child, be mature, you'll never get anywhere in life like this.
And you're not listening in the literal meaning of it here, I'm sure you still haven't read the lyrics for most the songs I posted about tongue



I'm not of African-American decent by the way. smile

45 (edited by avogadro 04-Mar-2009 00:33:18)

Re: K'Naan - Troubadour

> Gladiator wrote:

> > avogadro wrote:

> yeah, i must not be listening because i disagree with you, you close-minded bastard. i dont entirely blame you; you're black; if the music isnt telling you to bang some whore or get rich by getting your friends and family addicted to drugs, its deep in your eyes.



Bravo...avo reveals his true self smile
Like I said before, you are acting like a child, be mature, you'll never get anywhere in life like this.
And you're not listening in the literal meaning of it here, I'm sure you still haven't read the lyrics for most the songs I posted about tongue



I'm not of African-American decent by the way. smile


i listened to one song, your favorite one; and i really listened to it, its crap. the guy's "work of art" is the song, not the lyrics. if his song doesnt portray his message better then his lyrics, he's a shitty artist. and yes, i am listening in the literal meaning of the word. and i didnt say you were african-american decent, i said you were black; and i dont give a damn if you consider yourself half-brown.

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You just listened to one?
I just liked that one because the beat was nice tongue

Doesn't make him a shitty artist, it just shows he's a new one tongue
He's VERY VERY new, he actually just learned the English language a couple of years ago when he moved to Canada. He has never really gone to school and learned English through music, hip hop to be exact, which I think is remarkable. It's hard enough to understand what rappers are saying but to learn a language from them and speak it with at least some degree of sophistication like he does, that's remarkable.

Avo, listen to this one then if you want a nice song with a strong meaning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC8V8S_REhk
It is one of my favs, I just like songs with more content than a chorus/hook but this still says a lot..

Re: K'Naan - Troubadour

It is not hard to understand what rappers are saying.

I observed no level of sophistication in the videos, music, and lyrics this thread has led me to enduring so far.

His music is as juvenile as you. It's just a fact.

[I wish I could obey forum rules]

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I couldn't resist myself and just watched one of the youtube links.. WHY!? sad
Honestly, it's crap. I'd rather listen to

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BnZizZWJCA

Sucks to be someone who doesn't understand Dutch, muwhahaha.
Okay, time for me to get to work.

Je maintiendrai

Re: K'Naan - Troubadour

Just out of curiosity what are some of your favorite artists/bands? Question goes out to everyone. smile

50 (edited by BiefstukFriet 04-Mar-2009 22:11:07)

Re: K'Naan - Troubadour

That's a very hard question to answer you know!

Just a couple of names that pop to mind, in no particular order;

- Kansas
- Blue

Je maintiendrai