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hardly 100% incorrect. 
And remember we're talking about international government policy, since when does that have to make any sense. 
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The climate is changing, the patterns are shifting, the cycles are breaking, and what does the most adaptive, most successful animal on the planet do? It wastes decades of precious time arguing over the cause and then has the gall to look surprised when the weather "suddenly" makes life difficult.
I hate you all.
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I'm not as worried about global warming as I am about the South Atlantic Anomaly.
There is always going to be a small % of the population that refuses to acknowledge what's going on the world around them. Don't try to make them understand reason, it just won't work.
we (well at least me) are not doubting it, we only doubt the human impact.... the change is 99.9% natural
you can stop pumping out co2 tomorrow then a volcano can go up in 6 months time and pump out twice the amount (i expect you have the knowledge about the different strengths of green house gasses..... co2 is quite lame..... stop the cows farting and you would do a heck of alot more for this planet)
'One has to recognize that he Koyoto Accords are based on data that is over 2-3 decades old. We've learned a lot since then'
yeah the power of the media - and the revenue possibilities of green taxation
The climate is changing, the patterns are shifting, the cycles are breaking, and what does the most adaptive, most successful animal on the planet do? It wastes decades of precious time arguing over the cause and then has the gall to look surprised when the weather "suddenly" makes life difficult.
I hate you all.
NO - few decades back they where piping on about global cooling and what we gonna do when earth freezes over......
and stop watching the day after tomorrow and thinking its a scientific documentary come back in a time machine
"the change is 99.9% natural"
Tell that to any fisherman here in the Gulf and they'll say your a lair...literally.
those fishermen have not lived for a million years ? so they have not seen what natural change is.
the uk used to be a desert - it will be again - just a matter of time the ice caps melted - they will again. its natural and has been going on long before us humans turned up. there is a reason why ice core temperature data only goes so far.... it was not always ice (guess that was our fault too - too bad they didnt have governments around to tax the dinosaurs)
http://serc.carleton.edu/microbelife/topics/deadzone/
Please try to know what is being discussed before you flat out dismiss it out of hand.
The dead zone is caused by nutrient enrichment from the Mississippi River, particularly nitrogen and phosphorous. Watersheds within the Mississippi River Basin drain much of the United States
nothing to do with 'global warming' - this debate is about the global myth not some local pollution problem. i think i see your point but its not relevant. i said 99.9 % cos you know we are an industrial race and we pollute however the planets ability to withstand our impact is great.
Well I personally wouldn't call an issue that effects 60% of our fishing industry a "local" problem. Second you have to recognize that environmental conditions are NOT a separate issue to climate conditions. They are one and the same. Third, there is no more global warming "myth" nor is there any debate for the most part anymore. It's been accepted as fact by the majority of the people of this country and the planet. No amount of arguing to the contrary will change that. Some people will continue to try and argue otherwise, and they will always exist for the most part. But they are in the minority and their geo-political influence as a group continues to diminish. The only debate worth having atm is deciding how much effort we should put into combating climate change and reduce our involvement in it.
"however the planets ability to withstand our impact is great."
True, but you also greatly underestimate our impact, it is greater still. Will the planet be fine? Of course it will. Will we be fine, of course we will. Will planetary conditions change? YES. Do we have a say in the matter of how much it changes? Absolutely.
It's been accepted as fact by the majority of the people of this country and the planet
the change has yes - the reasons have been told to us and governments are using the 'fact' that we are being so bad for there own agendas - control and tax collection for a start
whole countrys have accepted things over the times..... communism for one = that was great til the money run out.....
The only debate worth having atm is deciding how much effort we should put into combating climate change and reduce our involvement in it.
yes i agree- and problems should be overcome with technology not by us having to pay thousands more to the government in tax to drive our current car. and the loony left telling us all to go back to living in huts need to be sent to love in huts for a winter....
"the reasons have been told to us and governments are using the 'fact' that we are being so bad for there own agendas "
Has it ever occurred to you that those who refuse to accept climate change as a reality are doing so for the exact same reasons here?
yes but we dont make money out of it
money makes the world go around - if there was no way to make money out of climate change do you think governments would give a damn ?
"yes but we dont make money out of it"
Incorrect, there is money to be made in refusing to accept it. Mainly in terms of regulations on existing industries and incentives to keep doing things the way we do them. To say there isn't financial incentives for this line of thinking is naive at best. I hope you understand that now.
if you call money making taking away green taxation its money making but imo its not...... taking away unjustified costs/tax is not making money...
"taking away unjustified costs/tax is not making money"
Try this example then. Lets get rid of the tax incentives for small businesses to buy SUV's (I have some personal experience with this credit, the government basically pays you to buy an SUV). After all we want to reduce wasteful spending correct? So why offer this incentive to begin with? It is no different than offering tax credits for businesses to go "green".
They money would be spent regardless. And industries and individuals who stand to gain financially by denying climate change will do what they can to deny it. Sorry, by yur own words you admit that politicians are using the argument against climate change for their own personal gain.
Try this example then. Lets get rid of the tax incentives for small businesses to buy SUV's (I have some personal experience with this credit, the government basically pays you to buy an SUV). After all we want to reduce wasteful spending correct? So why offer this incentive to begin with?
take it those suv;s are built in america ? - there is your reason - like i said before - its only the economic side the gov care about - if there is gain in not going green then they take it but its rare.
as for your end bit - i agree - the anti green people are only looking after there own (oil company funded science centers ect) - we are a capitalist world and this green issue is the laters in thing......
i only point out the abuse of government using the fear aspect and guilt for there agenda. personally im a person who recycles - uses energy saving light bulbs - turns off electrical things off standby. deep down im a green person but just one who sees the big picture and hates the hype
Lizon is part of the Flat Earth Society, he thinks the vast majority of the world still believes that to.
I posted a ten thousand links to evidence website and he cannot take the time to review any, yet wants to argue like he is an expert. I can defeat each argument, sometimes with a lil help if he is really pushing his skill sets, and then he tries another, it's an endless loop.
And Athiests call Christians frustrating
Actually the flat earth ppl are the ones who don't believe in climate change. It's akin to a child covering their eyes and saying "you can't see me", completely oblivious to the truth around them. And I did post in that thread of yours and the majority of the links posted supported climate change. Not my fault you can't read your own reference material. Truth is the argument has been settles already, and as I already stated there will always be a minority of the population that will contunie to want to argue the point. Though it is futile at this stage of the game.
And like i said, there are abusers of the old climate change argument are on both sides. But the arguments are mute at this point anyways. So meh.
Note: I'll never go back to old light bulbs again, <3 my florescents
Actually the flat earth ppl are the ones who don't believe in climate change. wink It's akin to a child covering their eyes and saying "you can't see me", completely oblivious to the truth around them.
yet billions of people have no problem in believing in a god.... less evidence for a god than there is for man made climate change........
Spiritual beliefs are on a whole different lv then understanding environmental changes. -.- In reference to god it's either he exists or he doesn't exist. It's that simple, I choose o believe that he does. If he doesn't, well it wouldn't matter then now would it.
god is a he ?
and no the belief in god and climate change are exactly the same - you have no 1st hand proof of god yet you believe others (preachers and bible) - you have no 1st hand proof off man made climate change- well 99.9999% that are not ' academic experts' in that field - yet you believe others (scientists/government and journals)
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> god is a he ?
and no the belief in god and climate change are exactly the same - you have no 1st hand proof of god yet you believe others (preachers and bible) - you have no 1st hand proof off man made climate change- well 99.9999% that are not ' academic experts' in that field - yet you believe others (scientists/government and journals)
the difference being that theres proof against global warming and that you dont see Christians forcing Christianity onto others, like you do with environmentalists.
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