I don't think he realizes that stupid people aren't a resource worth any credit.

International trade is wasteful, and unnecessary.  Every nation has the potential to produce domestically enough goods to satisfy its people's basic needs.

The notion that without international trade there is war is a fallacy.

> xeno syndicated wrote:

> International trade is wasteful, and unnecessary.  Every nation has the potential to produce domestically enough goods to satisfy its people's basic needs.

The notion that without international trade there is war is a fallacy.

1: You're going against every real economist known to man.  Pure and simple.
2: There's no justification behind this.
3: International trade doesn't assume that certain nations can't obtain key resources.  It's called comparative advantage.

Let me use my favorite example.  Assume that Tiger Woods could mow his lawn in 5 minutes.  Or he could have you mow it, and it would take you two hours to mow it for $10.00.  Even if he is better than you at mowing the lawn, he should hire you because in the time you are doing that, he can earn tons more money by making a new advertisement or something.

Just because someone CAN produce their own resources, it doesn't mean they SHOULD.
4: Prove that trade is bad.  Do your own open heart surgery.
5: Certain nations can't obtain those resources.  Farming in the Middle East is retarded.  Drilling for oil in Luxembourg is retarded.  Trying to hire an IT guy in Nigeria is retarded.  Do I seriously need to go on?

As for the trade vs war tradeoff, I'm empirically right on this.

1: World War 2.  The US stopped selling rubber to Japan.  Japan was forced to declare war on the US because it couldn't get its own rubber without obtaining resources.
2: Imperialism in the 16th-18th century.
3: Arguably, the Iraq war.
4: Blood diamonds.
5: Iran-Iraq war.
6: Opium wars.

You are seriously arguing that a lack of resources doesn't cause war?  Um... you are just wrong on so many levels.

Not to mention that you provided nothing to substantiate either of your claims.  You just said it.

I was going to bring that up, Bief.  Not to mention that at long distances, you need get things transported, which requires you figure out a way to pay services to someone ten thousand miles away.

"I can not even imagine how many people I need to contact and keep in touch with if I ever wanted to make something complicated.. Hell, I think my cinnamon rolls would become impossible to make, what with Cinamon coming from the other side of the world and all."

No.  It is the future for all of us.  A simple mobile-phone client program could easily keep track of all the chains of transaction for you (why you'd be interested, I don't know).  I don't think most people would bother keeping track of it.  All they'd care about is that the expected incoming-resources and outgoing-resources are showing up and being delivered on time.

"This system might only work on a backwater farming village."

I does already work in backwater farming villages, where the majority of the population of the human race live and work. 

Where it doesn't get implemented is within the urban centers of developed countries, partly because people there are so brainwashed into thinking they can't learn anything from the rest of humanity, but mainly because the governments and corporations in control of such areas don't allow such a system to develop.

Actually that piece of mobile-phone client software that could keep track of such transactions is, of course, already available and is being used.  It's just not available in English, sorry.  So sorry.  Really.  We're all just so broken up about it not being available for you in English.  Really we are - so very sorry, that is. 

>>I does already work in backwater farming villages, where the majority of the population of the human race live and work. <<

False.

>>We're all just so broken up about it not being available for you in English.  Really we are - so very sorry, that is.<<

How can someone with such a low standard of living in such an empoverished country talk down to Westerners because they have something awesome that they claim Westerners want? You don't make any sense.

It's alright, really.  No need to convince any of you of anything, really.  It's actually quite amazing how the resource economy works, actually.  But you can keep on being ignorant of it if you want and you can keep on going ahead and thinking you are actually 'developed' (Yes.  Please do everyone a favor and stop developing, will you?). 

You see, when multinationals and other western corporations come into a market and start hiring people, they'll keep hiring the same predictable boring saps they usually hire - those with whimsical morals, jellified spines, etc., and they'll keep producing the kinds of companies that keep #%$-ing over its customers, setting up oligopolies, or undercutting costs by selling the shoddy, garbage-ridden, planned-obsolescent-products you under-educated people in the west keep buying because you DON'T know any better.

It's actually funny how you think you have the free choice to keep buying that trash.   And, ironically, you think you have NO CHOICE but to keep working for these companies, too, NO CHOICE but to keep living your planned-obsolescent lives, buying your planned-obsolescent-cars, planned-obsolescent washing and drying machines,etc. etc., again and again, until you're old, unable to work anymore, and your stove finally konks-out and you starve to death. 

Nice 'developed' society you have there.

He said anything else this whole thread?

"If our society were structured differently, with no centralized political or financial authority..." Then it would be vulnerable to whatever society had enough centralized authority to organize and impose its will on your society.

"On an Earth upon which human society provides all of its citizens with the items a - f in the first post of this thread..." ON AN EARTH WHERE ALL WORK WAS DONE BY MAGICAL ROBOTS! YES! YES! WE'RE BACK TO THE ROBOTS! OMG THIS IS SO AWESOME!

Stop using so much opium xeno. You're obviously high. You're posting ridiculously ignorant economic theory mixed with modes of production which DO NOT EXIST. You've taken ridiculous and raised it to the imagined power. That's a lot of bullshit.

Hear, hear, xeno syndicated, master soothsayer and part-time Prophet extraordinaire!

Yes, his country is on the cutting edge of mud huts, HIV (and other STDs in much harsher forms than have made it to the states), and poverty. Clearly he's on the up-and-up concerning economic systems and what will soon be adopted the world over!

Note to IC forum: Don't take angry young children from poor nations too seriously. You'll feel really bad for them.

i agree with xeno syndicated ...

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