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"you're totally entired to your opinion.
i think we have different understandings of 'front line'"

For me front line = life expectancy of 4 seconds, followed by an unimaginably painful bullet riddled death.


"Better than 30% dropped out of my basic/advanced infantry class."

Whic means the ones that didn't drop out aren't real soldiers? Don't worry about responding, I know this is a redundant question given that you have admitted that your POV is exactly that, a POV.


"Technology does not solve a period unless you remove the parts that cause it."

But chemicals do. Bus the period is irrelevant as any woman joining the forces WILL have considered this, in fact I don't doubt that this is probably the number one reason why women drop out during training, but if they say they can do their job regardless then what gives us men the right to tell them any different?


"Technology does not help you stay clean when you crawl through mud."

Good job we wear clothes then isn't it? And what the hell is wrong with a good sand scrub? But anyway, this is also irelevant as ALL prospective soldiers, male and female, know this upon joining.


"Technology does not help you when your tank is damaged and you need to leave it behind."

Which means women don't belong because?

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rofl, ok so it s about the period now big_smile?
why didnt we start with that tongue?
it does explain more than just saying they be bad luck or smt, lolz

till the end of time..

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Periods really shoudln't be that much of a problem. Take the right medication and you get a delayed, lighter or painless period, whatever. Women athletes etc. cope.

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"what gives us men the right to tell them any different?"

Seniority?  Men've been ruling nations and fighting in armies for as long as there have been nations and armies, we've got experience.  Also we've got balls.

Note: This is a joke.

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Women can have balls too tongue surgery

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men and women are not the same. there are alot of differences. there are both physical differences and physiological differences. if you look at professional Athletes, even the best women in the world perform sub par in physically demanding sports. Track and Field (name one running event where the fastest female time is faster then the fastest male time), Football (American and Soccer), Basketball, Tennis, Golf, bowling even billiards and poker; the professional male athlete can become much stronger then a professional female athlete. Yeah, a female can become stronger then the average Joe, but not of a professional male athlete, there are hormonal advantages males have.

Sure, there are plenty of situations in the millitary where that extra strength isnt needed; pilots, drives, surgeons, ect; but the front lines where every casualty hurts moral, having a sub par solider isnt an option.

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avogadro,

I would first like to say that you need to structure your posts in kinder formats.

Secondly, the issue of physical strength and capabilities has already been addressed repeatedly in this thread. The argument has come down to the fact that modern warfare simply does not call for the strength capabilities a Spartan warrior had to match

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then i would site the incident in Somalia. Once the American troops rounded everyone together and attempted to evacuate to a stadium where they could transported outside of the danger, some men were overlooked and had to chase the vehicles the entire distance to the stadium while carrying all their gear, and being physically exhausted from the lack of sleep, and the fighting that had been going on, its something that was extremely physically demanding in modern warfare that most likely wouldnt of been accomplished had they been female soldiers, and similar problems could happen in just about any theater.

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Interestingly enough, while the US military does not permit women into the combat arms (i.e., infantry, armor, etc), there are plenty of female soldiers in the US military that have seen combat in the course of their duties while deployed overseas. A buddy of mine has been to both Iraq and Afghanistan on more than one occasion, and has said it's not uncommon in Iraq to see females attached to military police units or other non-combative units engage in defensive actions whenever their position or convoy is attacked. At the same time, direct confrontations in Iraq are few and far between. The "insurgents" are happier detonating bombs in the soldiers' faces.

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@ avogadro

you can't cite movies bud smile

furthermore, you show me a female ranger and ill be surprised

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"The argument has come down to the fact that modern warfare simply does not call for the strength capabilities a Spartan warrior had to match"

Perhaps not but there are still physical requirements that need to be met and the female requirements are lower than male.  So how can you say a female soldier is equal to a male soldier when they are held to different standards?

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Everyone here is referencing the physical advantages men have over women. What about the physical advantages women have over men? Women's range of vision is a lot wider than men's, with many women having 180 degree vision. Women can multitask, performing the most instensive and complex of procedures simultaneously. Could I also argue that due to their superior ability to empathise and sympathise (and the fact they are less prone to violent agression) with others, they would be better at drawing up verbal agreements and sorting out situations verbally with an enemy? Women are also shown to on average have superior memory skills and organisational skills. Women also, on average, perform btter at tasks which involve teamwork and sharing a problem.
Instead of parrotting on about how men are stronger, why not consider the areas in which women surpass men? Yes, they are minor to being physically strong, but not every aspect of combat is strength and endurance.

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@avo

"Sure, there are plenty of situations in the millitary where that extra strength isnt needed; pilots, drives, surgeons,"

being the pilot of a fighter plane is one of the most physically demanding jobs there is.

@Loz

In war being in good physical shape is the most important thing. How much time do you think is actually spent fighting and how much marching?!? If the women get exhausted more easily than men what good is it if you can multitask or have great vision! fatique is fatique.

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@Loz

you have outlined precisely why women are given DIFFERENT tasks from men

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"you can't cite movies bud smile

furthermore, you show me a female ranger and ill be surprised"

i actually have never seen the movie; but in real life some of the soldiers were left behind and had to chase the convoy the entire way to the stadium.

"being the pilot of a fighter plane is one of the most physically demanding jobs there is."

and having a baby is one of the most physically demanding things a human can do; but although both having a baby and being a fighter pilot is physically demanding; it doesnt require the strength that unforeseen obstacles can demand of soliders on the front lines.

@Loz, thats exactly why women are allowed in some parts of the millitary but not other's.

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Having a baby is not like they show it in movies so don't even begin to compare it to flying a fighter. My mum said that's it's hard work but she said that she has done more exhausting things.

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im no fighter pilot, just a private atm, but i can tell you pulling 8g's is no fricken joke

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"In war being in good physical shape is the most important thing!"

Depends what you're doing, punk X(

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When all you anti-female soldiers go to sexist heaven cause a bullet go you right through the side of the temple, you'll all be saying "Oh, I wish I'd listened to Loz and had a nice lady with 180 degree vision with me" X( mark my words!

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"im no fighter pilot, just a private atm, but i can tell you pulling 8g's is no fricken joke"

im no women, but giving birth is no fricken joke either.

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Men have strength and power in many ways; the ability to put more "oomph" behind whatever they do.

Women have speed and stamina due to a better balance between short and long muscle fibres, agility due to their tendons and muscle housings being much less brittle, balance but to their centre of gravity being in the centre of their bodies and not at a point just below the neck (Which is why men swagger when they walk), and their brains can handle three tasks with the same amount of brain power a man uses for one.

All of these facts, which are easily studied via Google or your local library's medical section, make women superior to men, so let us do our penises a favour and steer clear of the superiority argument before the girls get nasty and do us some real damage, OK?
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"Secondly, the issue of physical strength and capabilities has already been addressed repeatedly in this thread. The argument has come down to the fact that modern warfare simply does not call for the strength capabilities a Spartan warrior had to match"

coffee, that's not entirely true, considering marine infantry carry on average a load of 70-100 lbs when they go on patrols; not only that, if someone goes down, the other guys have to carry him + his gear. strength is still hugely important.

and fokker, you might wish it were that simple, strength and power on one side, speed adn stamina on the other...but that's not really applicable in the real world. and you want men who have all of that in the infantry.

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