Topic: The United States will have a Civil War

I am sorry, this is the truth. When the events are added up in sum, and the corruptions are laid bare, it all comes to one result out of two. Fascism under Obama, or Civil War.

The case is simple, and understandable to Conservatives.

1) Global Warming is a farce, and is being pushed to make certain people and parties richer at cost of everyone else.

2) Reducing Taxes stops recessions and brings more money to the government, but not only are they raising taxes on those who actually pay them, as well as reducing the number who pay taxes, they are also spending at uncontrolled rates. The amount of cash the government is creating is as of Dec 22th 500% of normal. One can predict that based upon this, that we will have inflation as to be feared with your life. If you take all Dollars around the world then this is only a 3% increase, but when you take what the Federal Reserve put out then it was from an average of 5 billion dollars to 126.5 billion. The government takes in about 2.4 trillion dollars a year. We just spent in 4 months? 3 months? 2 months? Yeah you tell me tongue... 2 trillion dollars should this current bill pass. With a Legislature that has never considered working DOWN the debt or REDUCING the government do you think that this will ever be paid off?

So therefore they are digging a recessionary hole so deep, and inflationary so deep, as to defy logic, and they are doing it smiling. Conservatives know what is coming, we are stocking up on food, guns, and tools.

3) Unemployment will pass 15% for sure, probably past 25%, and even could reach 30% with this run-amok nation of ours. Take the perfect example of passing riches to the poor... A certain nation run by a certain POPULAR and OUTSPOKEN (Coincidentally black also) who raped the rich (whites btw) for the poor giving the poor the property of the rich. Mugabe is his name. This is spoken in many Republican circles as that nation now requires wheel barrels to buy a loaf of bread. Wheel Barrels full of cash.

4) With the growth of hostile nations, and those who say otherwise are ignoring history and current events for political purposes, our current leaders wish to GUT our military.

5) Nations who have tried super socialized health care have started running from those programs, or have experienced huge waiting periods for treatment. Those Top Democrats who advocate public health care will never stoop to go to an already existing public health care system. Kennedy? nope.

6) The true rich will never suffer like those who wish to become rich will suffer. Most of their worth, after removing their home, is in businesses where they can pass raised costs to the consumer, in non-taxable (or a pittance for them) items like paintings, cars, furniture, huge and expensive wardrobes, etc. They can last out a depression, the small guy cannot. Thus why most rich are advocating socialism is because they do not want competitors anymore. Competitors mean they have to try to keep their businesses value, lack of means no work, all pleasure for them.

7) If truly pushed the rich will leave. In fact they have one foot out at all times in places like the Bahamas, Sweden (though that is changing) and other banking safe holds. They can go on a permanent vacation from the United States if need be. An example of that working is that billionaire Clinton pardoned.

8) Business goes to the business friendly locations. If one State, say Idaho, has a much more favorable tax environment than say Oregon, then Idaho is going to get more businesses. In fact in trucking I have found, Illinois is skipped by all truck drivers who own their own trucks due to the very high tax costs added to fuel in Illinois, to the favor of the neighboring states.

9) Paying via taxation results in reduced efficiency, and we know this, we ALL know this. Only the supremely ignorant does not know this.

10) The recent bill (the first) signed by Obama is going to create a mess out of companies struggling to survive. Easier and better would have been to say "Any company not paying their people evenly will have the person at fault executed starting next year". Fear of execution would prevent future wrongs, would not bring back the ugly past during a time of crisis, and would not assist sue and burn style lawyers.

11) To many states do nothing against crime, or lip service. Those states which are controlling crime easily are non-stop assailed by various forces to try to make them get dragged down to the crime ridden states levels.

12) To many outside nations/personages seek to influence US actions, often against the best interests of the United States, and to many inside the US listen to those outsiders.

13) The School system is so tainted, so corrupt that even teachers admit it is so via sending their own children to private schools. And it will not change short of a civil war.

14) Environmentalists are going wild with lawsuits on everything, and attempting to pretty much destroy humanity, and the US is their most successful effort.




I could go on, and in depth, but I feel this is enough of a start.


This makes me sad, for I now place a 90% chance on Civil War, and put the remaining 10% chance into the United States turning into a Fascist Dictatorship under Obama that will require victims to destroy as a way to blame for Obama's short comings.


We demanded to much, we being those who voted Obama and the Democrats, and did not push for real conservatives instead of liberals in the Republican party. God is going to punish not just the United States with this, but the world. There will be wars in large numbers. I predict Russia versus Ukraine, Poland, and others, I predict wars in Africa and S. America. I predict Islam to push in wars in many locations, and I predict a sad state for our generation, and the following generation.


They say those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it.


In the 1920's Hitler, a skilled orator who appeals to Germans suffering under economic, social, and perceived justice woes, rises to power with promises to punish those rich jews who put the nation in that place. He had the media at his whim, grew a supremely powerful political following that he kept mobilized for the remainder of his life, and his followers jumped on any opposing Hitler without reason or logic.

In 2008 Obama is elected after proving his skills at Oratory, claiming economic, social injustice, and wrongful military issues. He promises to punish the rich businessmen who he says have created the problems. He has the media fawning over him, and has a network of 25 million people he plans to keep actively pursuing his goals. Any effort to oppose him is called racist, gets people flunked in school, gets you spit on, and worse.


There is going to be a civil war.

I do not want one, I do not revel in one, I will try not to participate when it comes but instead hide myself from the slaughter... my time is done, I have done what I can.

There is just to much injustice and division, and no way it will not restore without a civil war destroying the radical elements and re-writing the constitution to prevent these issues from being used again.


All Republics fall eventually to their own corruption and political misdeeds. This will now be true of the United States as well.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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2 (edited by Justinian I 29-Jan-2009 20:18:47)

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I doubt there is going to be a civil war. On the other hand, I have nothing against pillaging the south again. Those religious and state's-rights fanatics deserve it.

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OMG, Einstein, use your time for better things..

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>1) Global Warming is a farce, and is being pushed to make certain people and parties richer at cost of everyone else.

The world wasn't warming much so they changed the name to "Climate Change"

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Flint... um... isn't this one of those things you're not supposed to say, since you're a government official now?  tongue

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>>Those religious and state's-rights fanatics deserve it.  --Justinian

Okay.. the religious part.. whatever.. but there is nothing wrong with state's rights.  The Bill of Rights lays that out pretty clearly.

I have an econ degree.. let me prove it...

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Re: The United States will have a Civil War

Depends on how far you take it, really.  Otherwise, you justify the pre-Civil Rights Act world... which isn't good for obvious reasons.

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I support Federalism, and no I am not in the government. A private entity employees me tongue

In any regards this does not invalidate the proofs. There is a rising anger in the United States, and Congress keeps dropping in support (now at 5%?) and Obama is now being shown for what I and other conservatives claimed he was, in full...

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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> Zarf BeebleBrix wrote:

> Flint... um... isn't this one of those things you're not supposed to say, since you're a government official now?  tongue


omg, thanks, Zarf. i had a long day of work, and i needed a laugh and you delivered.

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> RP08 wrote:

> >>Those religious and state's-rights fanatics deserve it.  --Justinian

Okay.. the religious part.. whatever.. but there is nothing wrong with state's rights.  The Bill of Rights lays that out pretty clearly.>

Well I'm for reducing the state's autonomy to administrative divisions of the nation, which in practice is what they pretty much are.

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> Einstein wrote:

> no I am not in the government. A private entity employees me tongue


Excuse me while I search for all your references of "I am the only politician here."

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> Zarf BeebleBrix wrote:

> > Einstein wrote:

> no I am not in the government. A private entity employees me tongue


Excuse me while I search for all your references of "I am the only politician here."



LOL!

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only politicians in office work for the government. if he's a politician thats currently holding no office, he's not working for the government and he's still a politician.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGFTcznwabs

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> Einstein wrote:

> I am sorry, this is the truth. When the events are [...] fall eventually to their own corruption and political misdeeds. This will now be true of the United States as well.

  Can you actually back up any of this, or are you just surfing the rising mania again?
This is not a troll, I am genuinely interested in the subject, but I need to make sure.

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My political position = no pay and no obligations = not work for the government

yes I was elected though

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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Exactly what is your status Flint?

I mean, job title, in terms of your elected position.

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Precinct Comitteeman

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
Kemp currently not being responded to until he makes CONCISE posts.
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On the climate change notion, well at least where I live there is documented proof that over the past 10 years the winters have gotten colder and the summers have gotten hotter. People can do all they want to say that it is a myth, but the basic ideas behind it (pollution destroying the atmosphere) can hardly be argued.
How can you even begin to make claims on what Obama is "being shown for" yet? He has been in the office officially less than 2 weeks. Sure it can be said, and I wouldn't necessarily disagree with you, trillion dollar plan to boost the economy could possibly be well over the top and just digging us into an even deeper hole, but it appears to me it is a desperate effort to get the population to begin spending again.
You do make a good point as well, a lot of people are hiding away food, money, guns, etc. That is the problem with the economy right now, people are hiding away.
On the school system note, yes you are fully correct. Our high school education system is such a joke right now that it makes me sick.

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The massive legislation in the works is not a stimulus package. It's Democrats passing everything they've wanted to for the past 15 years now that they have the chance, knowing that enough of the Amerikan public doesn't know what's going on or care enough to even hurt their voter turn out next election cycle.

The problem isn't that I keep money in my mattress and posess dozens of firearms and tens of thousands of rounds of ammunition. The problem is that we're currently putting our great grandchildren in debt and sooner or later we're not going to enjoy the benefit of being the 1 nation on earth who can get away with UNIMAGINABLY HUGE debt while we expect other nations to actually balance a budget and not spend money they don't have.

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> V.Kemp wrote:

The problem isn't that I keep money in my mattress and posess dozens of firearms and tens of thousands of rounds of ammunition. >

Do you seriously do that?

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My money is not stashed in a mattress. There is something to be said for having money, though. It's a lot more useful to have than have some bank promise you under ideal conditions.

I have firearms. I have ammunition. A lot of it. I have armor piercing rounds, hollow points, FMJ.

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Gold would be more useful than Federal Reserve notes.

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The biggest problem I see with the whole situation, is that over the past 8 year when this outrageous dead was being acquired under a republican leadership, conservatives said nothing. Now that a democrat is in office and congress has a democratic majority, all of a sudden there is a problem?

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"The biggest problem I see with the whole situation, is that over the past 8 year when this outrageous dead was being acquired under a republican leadership, conservatives said nothing. Now that a democrat is in office and congress has a democratic majority, all of a sudden there is a problem?"

I've noticed that too. Also, they (esp. flint) are very  quick to judge Obama. What ever happened to fair chance?

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