> Tryme wrote:

> 10 = main loser in the war ?

For sure

/me strokes Pickle

that is pretty unhonorable if you ask me.
2vs1 is always unhonorable

I do not see how exploring is low. Planets were being blown left and right if other families were smart enough to take advantage of that then good for them. It is deffantly better than them joining in on attacks and being called vulters. It was the least they could do.

I also do not see how asking an families ally for nap so it can be 2vs1 either. Honestly if the ally would have assisted more instead of worry about thier own size and being the largest thier ally would not have been put in the posistion to need to get the nap. The reason 1618/1601 is the best pair is because they attack families 2vs1. It is not their fault that is the way they attack. It is the rest of the galaxy being unorganized and that is how it works out.

If 1611 would have attacked either 1618 or 1601 before the nap ended with 1610 then I am sure the outcome would have been drastically differant. But instead 1611 waited for what I do not know...

If anything it was honorable of them to offer and let them have the nap because of the rape that was occuring.

Trung is GoldenDragon and I'm gonna rape him personally

and SmallE, 11 did do something before the war....sabbed a few portals here and there, opped some savings here and there, threw in some nukes, some portal breaks...of course they could have done more, but what they did limited the number of shares we had to in your favor. as you share many more with our bankers and we didn't with your's.

Can we really fault families for taking the advantages they make for themselves and using them?  Its about putting yourself in a better poistion than other people?  planning a 2vrs1 for me falls under a war stradegy that uses politics to gain them...since they arnt breaking any naps, or doing anything they said they woudlnt do, i dont see where the problem is?

Dishonourable playing in my opinion includes

-Flat out lieing (like using CF to wait for fleets to arrive, and then attacking during the CF) or (telling someone that your fam wont attack them if they arnt provoked, and then 5 hours later taking 50 planets from them)
-Rediculously redundent farming ...i say this because farming is ok, its a natural part of the game, and clearing cores can be considered farming if you expand them into someone elses cores...its alot of red tape and there are no lines drawn...waht i mean is farming where the big fam doesnt gain much, and the small fam is [w00f!]..like taking 100 of a small fams 300 planets , when you got like 3000....im clarifiyng so we dont have confusion about the type of farming im talking about...2000 planet fam farmig a 700 planet fam in thier area is cool
-trying to get illigal alliences to pick on a fam your mad at...
-not stabbing yourself with your own sword when you are defeated...

to me, everthing else is part of the game...deception, manipulation, brute force, trickery, reasonable farming, 2 vrs 1 politcal setups, exploring empty palnets in someones core when your pnap allows it....its all about finding advantages and taking them.  no excuses like "bottom 5" or whatever , its an advantage, and its being exploited, same as a 2 vrs 1...

thats just my opinion though

@ Father Communism:

there is no honor anymore un this game. we are at war, 1615 vs 1617 (im from 1615) but 03 and 09 are joining in, taking planets from us. and its not just planet grabs or core cleaning, their taking a whole system! now how can we concentrate on 17 then? will this constitute as illegal alliance or what?

I would just like to say Commy that my family (1612) got annihalated by 1601 and 1618, and previous to that 1610.  Then 1603 comes into our core and starts cleaning systems while we are recovering.  We were a 200 planet family you were a 1000 planet family.  Every planet we explored got taken by you guys.

We were in a war with 1602 at the time and I asked your leader and all your attackers on a daily basis to cool off a bit but noone listened until over 100 planets were vultured off us.

Tell me, is that honourable?  Or were you just plain taking advantage of a small family while they were down and trying to get back up again?

@ Load - while I agree to a certain extent that exploring blown up planets is fair enough, if you personally asked their leader to stop doing it then they should have backed off.  In my opinion that is an aggressive move which voids any NAP.

so i cant explore planets cuz they used to be yours....
all we've done is finding easy planets. i dont care if they were from 11/18/01/10, they r blown, so no one owns them. or is there a change in ic? and about honour. as far i know we did not once did a move that was vs those fams. now 10 think it r planets belonging to them. but i see them in our hands...
if you blow them, you explore them. if not too bad for you
it were all +2 tickers so you could have explored them. or you thought let us explore and claim them back after that...
well maybe too bad the nap is for whole round...
and i did not get one msg about plz stop. so piss off