if a girl swallows would she be considered a cannibal?

"A human has a brain, an adult has a brain, a toddler has a brain, a set of cells in the early term has some kind of subset that will one day turn into a brain, but is not one yet. quite a big difference."

see, you have to make up requirments for humans that have no scientific or logical basis. i have white skin, black people dont, black people arent human; thats what you're saying

I say again:
"A human has a brain, an adult has a brain, a toddler has a brain, a set of cells in the early term has some kind of subset that will one day turn into a brain, but is not one yet. quite a big difference. repeat for any other part of the body."

You can't murder something that isnt a person.

Say whatever you like, I have had enough of talking to a wall who believes that a bunch of atoms with no feelings brains heart or any parts that resemble a person, yet is in fact a person; therefore has more rights than a woman who has been raped. Then if she decided to terminate, you would call her a murderer.

I would love to see you tell your mother, sister, girl friend, anyone, that she was a murderer on top of being a rape victim. I bet she would just love you.

Im out of here, not bothering with reading your reply.

ROFL. A fetus or embryo is a human being. It is a human being in a cellular or primitive stage of development. It's BS to conveniently define as human something that satisfies an arbitrarily specified event like birth or morphology rather than by its genotype. The genotype of a fetus or embryo is human, end of story. Biological classification is defined by genotype, and it becomes an arbitrary or potential slippery slope when we define it by phenotype. If we're going to define a human by an event or their morphology, then why not define human as a toddler when they talk or as people who have a particular skin color?

However, we don't have to consider abortion as murder. We don't consider all forms of terminating human life murder, such as state sponsored executions, man-slaughter, accidents or war. To kill is not always to murder, because murder is distinguished by its circumstances. Since it's an arbitrary way to organize types of killing based on their practical value, we can modify that organizer to not include abortion as murder. We can consider abortion perfectly acceptable and not a murder, and we should because it has practical value and we can get away with it, as I mentioned earlier in this thread.

> Justinian I wrote:

> Max,

LOL! Wtf?

i think he failed biology class and doesnt understand the difference between sperm and embryo's.

Simple answer to the question posed in this thread:

We should punish them by making a giant vacuum and sucking their heads off with it! 

(I guess this may not have been as funny when I misplaced this post in the Russia thread yesterday)

Common arguments made by pro-choice that dont confront the issue head on:
"What if she was raped?"
"Is killing sperm murder?"

What if she was raped?
Well then we must consider either giving that mother extra resources by the state to take care of the child OR take almost all the money the rapist has and give it to orphanages to take care of babies that were a product of rape. And I will consider it OK to sentence an unborn baby to death when we sentence the rapist to death.

Is killing sperm murder?
Ofcourse not because sperm is only 50% of a  human so therefore its not murder. That would be saying killing a chimpanzee is murder because .1% of its genes are the same as a human.

> How to Stump Anti-Abortionists With One Question <

Do you step on ants?

"2.  I never said all I didn't even say most I just said lots of kids will be utterly useless adults."

if by "lots" you werent talking about the majority, what point were you trying to make? saying "lots" in this type of argument, without using it to describe the percent, is just referencing the sample size.

"
1. We are opportunistic, it's how we've gotten as far as we have."

you two disagree on whether we're opportunistic. so to clarify for everyone; opportunistic is an adjective. adjectives compare; thats their job in the english language. you think we are opportunistic compared to what?

"you shouldn't have the right to murder your own selfish mistake."
- A10, is it murder is the child hasn't fully developed? Is a simple, multi- celled embryo a person?

"there is nothing that indicates that a fetus that would normally be aborted would be a drain on society if not aborted."
- A child left on the steps of a Fire station and raised in foster care for 18 years is indeed a drain on society.

"Or one crime could be made worse by tacking on murder to the whole ordeal. In this case murder would be tacked on to the rapist."
- So if a man rapes a woman, and she aborts the child, then the raper should be charged with murder? That's like saying if a guy hits a dog in his car, and the dog's owner loses his mind and kills someone, the person who hit the dog is responsible for the murder. I don't see the logic in that.

"banning abortion doesnt do that. you're talking about 1-2 months where the mom would have to take time of working towards furthering her career to have the baby."
- 1-2 months? Have you ever known a working woman on maternity leave? If the mother intends on breast feeding (as they should) she is not able to work for at least 1 month leading up to the birth, and several months afterward.

>- A10, is it murder is the child hasn't fully developed? Is a simple, multi- celled embryo a person?

Yes it is. Human's are defined as humans by how many cells they have. Just because a todler doesn't have as many cells as an adult doesn't mean that the todler is any less human.

>- A child left on the steps of a Fire station and raised in foster care for 18 years is indeed a drain on society.

You're not planning for the future. That child grows up and contirbutes to society. Every human is an investment.

>- So if a man rapes a woman, and she aborts the child, then the raper should be charged with murder? That's like saying if a guy hits a dog in his car, and the dog's owner loses his mind and kills someone, the person who hit the dog is responsible for the murder. I don't see the logic in that.

Read the sentence before that where I said the child could be given the chance to live. That sentence you're selectively quoting is a follow up of that idea. Notice how I say "Or one crime could be made worse". Anyways, why would you have any sympathy for a rapist?

>- 1-2 months? Have you ever known a working woman on maternity leave? If the mother intends on breast feeding (as they should) she is not able to work for at least 1 month leading up to the birth, and several months afterward.

I don't know who you're quoting here, but that child's entire working life more then makes up for the mothers maternity leave.

>Killing anorexic people isn't murder.  It's abortion! 

Lets abort all the midgets