Who the hell is in charge over there first snail guy demands 50 planets for a p-nap lol what a joke,like i told my fam yesterday i took 50 planets from you guys all by myself, then he pulls back his offer with another one less appealing than the first one, 25 planets or he will nuke us into 5th place no need for a responce on that one.

Now Ithaca claims he wants to talk nap but then says he's not in charge, So my question is wtf is your leader doing, i might be wrong but ive heard not a peep out of him or her.

When you guys figure out who's in charge and come with a offer that winMe cant refuse maybe then we can get things moving, until then business as usual.

yeah what they sent is officially called a bluff.....

and we are calling it

i posted in the wrong thread my last post. (I was meant to comment on another thread but was reading this one also)

but anyway i like to think im not whineing and although i did blow my gasket - i blew it for the wrong reasons. i was under alot of stress during that time hence whatever i said even to me doesnt quite make sense and it certainly does sound like i did the biggest whinge ever.
I have respect for 1581 - they kept me busy like i have never been before(besides 1427 last round). There a fam u just cant retake a few and that will be the end to that. When skirmishs first started i knew what i was in for but those bastards are resiliant :]
Long story short to put it bluntly that day was just not a good day for many other reasons (besides IC)

When i ended up talking to PP_ i hadnt slept for a day or two and we were in negioation mode and honestly i wasnt all there by then!
1581 u guys out of everyone know i was constantly retaking and attacking pretty much on my own. 1557 broke nap with us and nearly took whole system right in our core and attacked others in it too. this was in the middle of my skirmishes with 1581. It was too much for me in the end. A lone camaar taking on 2 strong fam with of course one of them being one of the best. Im sure u guys saw that grab by 1557. Alot of confusion around this peroid, nap breaking, core inflitrating, i took leadership, but in the end too much stress outside and inside IC which caused my outburst. Our allies seemed to be using us as a shield against 1581, with little or no support at all (at the start they did but lost couple planets in our core so stopped trying and yet they were telling me to keep fighting on even tho 1581 had told me we were not there target but 1583 was.
Even knowing that our allies still only minimally helped us (minor ops- planet infra, invest port)
So in the end i was fighting 1557 - 1581 pretty much by myself...

As you can see i was in a tricky situation and under alot of stress.
and no I am not playing IC for the time being as my outside life is abit hectic atm with work and stuff. In the end my outburst wasnt really justified.

Also i talk on behalf of myself and not 1558.

@PitBull

I've been trying hard to come to an agreement that we both could settle on. I got your terms, and you got the terms that my family had agreed upon, which was 75 planets. That was not accepted, and neither was your 200 (as we are neither stupid nor ignorant).

I have no real power to negotiate, but someone needs to do it, as it doesn't seem our leader really wants to at the moment, and it's farily obvious that we'll end up losing this if it continues.

I'm not sure what your problem is with me or our family, but I have personally not done anything that I shouldn't do. On the contrary, I have actually been trying to save our family from total disaster. That our terms were not able to meet eachother is NOT my mistake.

I'm not even sure I want to keep up this discussion. I had it "all" sorted out with WinME, and the current agreement was that there is no agreement, until either part comes up with something better. - So would you PLEASE shut up, and let the grown-ups do the talking?

/ Ithaca

If I have to say anything, I'd think Ithaca's fam would do best to agree to either 100 or 125 planet nap. That's really the best his family is gonna wanna do. I'm pretty sure Winme and Pitbull won't agree to anything less than 100 though

/me shrugs

> Wraith - Ithaca wrote:

> @PitBull

I'm not even sure I want to keep up this discussion. I had it "all" sorted out with WinME, and the current agreement was that there is no agreement, until either part comes up with something better. - So would you PLEASE shut up, and let the grown-ups do the talking?

/ Ithaca

I must tell you that i'm probably way more grown than you think, i will not shut up,i will continue to kick the shit out of your family non stop just because of your big ass mouth,. How dare you tell me to shut up you punk, these forums are designed for anybody to talk, you want to shut up then shut me up take the nap, them ill shut up and leave your punk ass alone [w00f!]

so basicly a quick summary of what this "war is about".

we cleared a guy of 1581 in 3 systems where we had a decent amount of infra. the guy got pisted and you guys started coordination attacks( nothing wrong with this appart from the fact that 3 planets is nothing to get pissed about but I understand the preventive part of your attacks.

we're getting beaten all the time and due to lack of  coordination we can't seem to get a naptalk going since we apearantly sent 3 different offers that have nothing to do with each other.

the closest to talks we have come is: 50? no, 75? no, make it 200 for pnap (HELL NO!) as said before that's just dumb.

but if we continue from their it's most likely we screw the number up a bit and you screw it down like it usually goes? but no. talks stalled and now we're back at off except for the fact that everybody is blaming everybody else on who started or provoked the conflict.

some say we attacked, some say we retaliated. we figran first. you attacked first. whatever what's done is done.
I just want it to end.

and to end of with some goodwill jokes made by bothside:

funny on our side:
from 81:
we'll stop farming you as soon as you guys stop retaliating( aka retakes)
we'll give you a nap for 200 planets( which is a good way to start things and hilarious if you don't read between the lines)

for 81 side: nap for 50 planets? no. how about 25 then? really if you think about it pretty funny.

basicly our entire coordination on some levels is kindoff a joke but we're working on it.

Tommie i can tell you exctly how it started, I cleared one of your guys from a system, you guys fig ran draytax, then i went into attack mode told the rest of the guys to get busy plain and simple, it had to happen eventually we are to close to each other for it not to happen plus i'm always greedy for planets, i'm sure we will nap soon but in the mean time business as usual.

well then, offer 125 planets and go for pnap. if he says no, 125 and 72 hour nap. If you're desperate, your offer will shoot high with moderate offer, then you work your way down to high payment, moderate agreement or w/e.

I once offered 150 planets for pnap to Middle and Zomzom and got a no so I offered 200. My family decided that I made the best choice, especially with Lietuva portalled in 14 cores We started war with 1500 planets and pingponged 100-150 over the war and ended up with 1200 planets in the end. Jacubus and GeneralSkulls both agreed (and Alch and Masterfreak) that I did well. If you are able to end something with a simple agreement, then do it! If the family doesn't like it, then tell them would they like to lose 2x as many planets?

Seriously, I really think you should take matters into your own hands and just make an agreement. Simple enough. Try 100 planets and 72 hour nap, then try 125 and pnap, then try 125 and 72 hour. Just keep trying because if you're lucky, Winme will accept and you can still do well this round without being crippled.

Edit: Actually, I offered 200 planets for 72 hour nap, and they gave me pnap instead because the war had already last a month

> skull wrote:

> lol, you make me laugh, deleting because your getting hit by some "super family", every family seems super to the fam im in,but then again your fighting what 1-2 top 10 fams???? and your ranked 9th,lol

we're ranked in the 30's and we've got 2 familys in the top 10 were having running battles with
its part of the game get over it

quit your complaining and go,if your going to go

that was an other family.

this time it's an other fam and nobody has delted. this topic was just revived since it's pointless to make a new one and have the same discussion all over again.

at least this way ppl can read what's already said and don'tdouble post.

I tell ya i as all for a nap, I told Daniel he should nap u guys with compromise and move on, but reading this crap in uni news im 2nd guessing it now.

2nd ranked fam vs 7th( u were 5th) ranked fam adn were pathetic losers?

57 fig ran our 2nd main attacker costing him 400k nw, u also hit our 3rd attacker and u went after us.

This is a war game and opps are part of it, I know I personally nuked your fam last week 22x without fail. I havent nuked since as I havent been around due to work and pulling back from ic, However I think ill start again.

I also know 3 others nuked u guys+ non stop ff's and sab portals were done. I think your main attacker lost 60% of your ports.

Lets not forget Mr nice guy snailsex sending rude msgs, threatening and jumping agents trying to nuke us( nice fails on me:P).

To be honest theirs not any big reason for us to nap u, we could take 20% of your planets easly and be well ahead of 200, I think your around 1400?. Suddenly 200 is looking pretty good!.

Any decent fam do not war like this? rofl, be happy our 3 attackers we lost from last round are not here this round cause u guys been minus 400 planets atm and u been begging for us to stop.

So far u havent lost shit overall other then portals and infra. if u werent so stubarn u wouldent of lost those either.

I dont think we will be waiting 8 days for any planets either, I avoided diplomacy,uni news and as much as possible ic latley, but u whinners piss me off in here. Im gonna tell fam to step up the nuking and attacking evan more and no nap till u cough up alot of planets and within 2 days or we reattack,nuke some more.

So piss off with your bashing and whinning of us in uni news because 2 top 5 fams are waring atm and its all good and fair. U refuse our leaders request and he refuses your pathetic offer. 75 planets for a pnap while were totally kicking your ass lol  OOOkkkkk