they prefer to leave us alone against 76/95. nice move

Offers for making this a 1v1 between 1576 and 1563 has been sent, this would be a decent way of making up for the savings oppings if you ask me. And then 95 can slaughter 77 down to 200 planets to my suiting

insightfull and iltellegent as always kagar , i understand talics frustration about his noob opping, and i believ ehim when saying it wasnt intentional from him or impires side. Now im just interesting on making this a decent war again, and looking at 77 complete imcompetance and noobishness, i think making this a 1v1 would be very classy of them.

noir for 250 planets i will nap you guys

lol capricon sux this round eh

we wont nap for planets ace, you know that and the more you keep this dishonorable war going the more spitefull we will get.. psychology 101. Ive given you all the oportunity to show some class, your choice if you take it or not.

Also can we rename the thread and leave 1577 out of it?

well peace out

you want me to paste their forum orbit, its not hte communication thats the problem its just the fact that noone showed up to even jump...

To be honest i was very disappointed in 76s jumps, they were horrible... and their economy was shitty, their bankers didnt have science or anything, not even the big popper. They saved 3,5 days we saved 2 and we outjumped them. To be honest this just further annoys me because it shows that in a 1v1 we woudlve beaten them any day.

But well you cant always get want you want.

i am just saying this sux, the only decent alliance war in cap this round and idiots screws it up, so my comment that capricon sux is quite fitting. also broker you are bad.

Let's recap for a moment.

A couple days ago, we saw 1563 sitting on considerable savings (read: 10 mil iron, 100 mil cash, etc) We figured they might havebeen saving for a cancellation, especially after noir explored in restricted systems he wasn't allowed to explore (which was np, we traded him out), but that did indicate they were planning something against us. So we start saving. And we see 1563 suddenly do a banker jump.

We had two options:
1) Do infra ourself  (and just for the record we had just started working on banker research, would've jumped first cf-er to 700%)
2) or cancel and make sure we have the better savings.

We chose option two and cancelled the ALLIANCE NAP. 63 had the better infra, so we had no choice, because we wouldn't catch up infra-wise.

We checked their savings and were surprised they managed to buy so much iron.. we didn't know how much cash they had of course. Either way, we NEVER expected them to jump more than 2 mil ground, 1 mil figs, so that's exactly what we planned on to jump.

Guess what, Broker jumps early, with 4.5 mil ground. We were flabbergasted, and realized we gravely underestimated their savings. We knew the figs of Cartel would be considerable as well, so we had to make a decision: We chose to make sure Impire couldn't be broken by Cartel, and jumped him 1 mil droids, I stayed small first tick so I couldn't be hit and jumped 1.5 mil droids a tick late. I was hopeing somehow broker would blow his droids in impire's figs, but that didn't happen, so we were considerably stressed out.

We couldn't move all to one player, due to lack of trannies and some sent out resources (most of us have a life, and depend on aid being sent in time, beforehand) So we had no choice bu to improvise and gfigure out how to deal with a war where we are outjumped (not outsaved, cuz in absolute numbers our fleet sizes matched).

So that's what happened. Impire did a great job with the figs (not enough to run cartel) and the droids (4 times less than broker). I came in a tick later with 1.5 mil droids and watched the news for a fricken hour, managing to lure broker out to take a port, and pulled my figs on him. He lost 2 mil ground, tick after I cleared him and he's done. Now this doesn't mean Broker didn't do well, on the contrary, he handled it pretty well. I couldn't predict what was gonna happen, and if he was 2 secs faster, I wouldn't have caught his ground. Good job in his part.

Furthermore, we tag teamed broker with fig runs from  4 different players, while smaller attackers were clearing the attackers of 63 that were jumping late. (woman's clothing) All in all a great job by all members in my fam and by portgas and icy.

Being an alliance NAP, we did expect 77 to jump as well, and they had the savings to match at least the fleets of 1595. But they didn't. No offense, if we cancel alliance NAP, we fght as an alliance. I was doing my job as ground runner, and Noir, you cannot expect me to reply your messages if I'm doing that, so I didn't.

Recap of the recap:
- 1576 underestimated 63's savings and overestimated their own
- 1576/1595 were gravely outjumped (read max fleets 4.5mil droids/1.5mil figs vs 1 mil droids/1.5mil droids/1 mil figs) and we pulled ourselves together, didn't give up and used our wits to deal with 1563.
- We had RESEARCH in mili bonus, which 63 didn't have = their loss in this war.

I could sum up a few other things, but there's no use.

Anyway, we didn't op savings intentionally. And, if you really needed that 70 mil that LWK opped to win against us... That's ridiculous. 1 mil more ground wouldn't have made a single difference.

Obviously the war is not over yet. We cannot be kept responsible for 77 bailing out. We are responsible for the early ops, and we will pay compensation for that when the time is there to make peace. I cannot do anything different or better to compensate for those ops. It does soothe my conscience, that the cash they lost wouldn't have made a difference

So now you know why we have such weird fleet jumps, and now you know why we didn't stop attacking when u asked us to. Don't blame us for ur loss, blame ur lack of a good alliance and.

You didn't. Noir did.