126 Reply by V. Kemp (edited by V.Kemp 11-Jan-2009 20:27:38)

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>>no; because intelligent people believe in irrational things; believing in irrational things doesnt make someone unintelligent or dumb.<<

So you've decided that believing in God is irrational? That's nice. Einstein disagrees with you. Einstein had a lot of other very rational thoughts that not everyone today agrees with. Many people today disagree with Einstein and would think him irrational if they knew his views on social and political positions. That doesn't make them irrtational. I happen to think he was very rational on most things. And even if he wasn't on some, well, not all intelligence uses the same parts of the brain as relativity. We've been over this. He didn't believe in the tooth fairy. He didn't have an extreme fear of stepping on cracks. He didn't run naked in the streets every third sunday.

>>Wow you're a Jerk. I hope you don't behave like this in rl or someone might seriously try and hurt you. Do you have friends? Hug each and every one for putting up with you.<<

I was specific in my response. You even know what, precisely, was so disgusting in your posts. Your response, however, was this vague personal attack garbage. Good job, you're keeping it up. By the way, the acronym "rl" for the word "real life" really sets off my nerd alarm. Get a life. Maybe that you disconnect yourself from your words on this forum is why you shut off so much of your brain in posting.

>>And I'm saying that you can't make a connection between irrational ideas and intelligence because what's considered  an irrational idea is subjective to individual opinion.<<

You're right. What is rational is entirely subjective. No one has ever studied logic seriously.

Even if there were no ways to guage rationality, I've already repeatedly explained why that wouldn't matter. Whether or not there is a connection between being intelligent and believing that the sun is made of candy-corn is consistant regardless of your ability (or, in this case ,lack thereof) to know that it is not.

I'm a jerk. And you need to stop skipping the third grade to post here. You're ridiculous and petty and not engaging in the conversation. I ain't got no time for no [12 year old] haters.

I don't dispute that some very intelligent people believe some crazy things. No one does. I simply stated that there is a _general trend_ for more intelligent people to be intelligent rather than believe hocus-pocus and things that they know are false. I don't hold that cultural traditions or superstitions are a sign of a lack of intelligence. Though I would suggest that a very intelligent person is more likely [than a stupid idiot] to reevaluate their beliefs when their child has epilepsy and needs treatment but their religion believes their child to be 'taken by spirits.'

It's ridiculous to cling to the claim that more intelligent people are unable to use their intelligence in choosing what's retarded psychobabble than people who can't give change out of 5 dollars for a 3 dollar purchase.

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"So you've decided that believing in God is irrational? That's nice. Einstein disagrees with you."

Einstein does not disagree with me; he doesnt think that he rationally came to the conclusion that God exists. he recognizes the need for irrational behavior.

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Not claiming that he came to the conclusion that God exists through his intellect is not claiming that it is irrational. When did Einstein ever discuss the "need for irrational behavior"?

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I am for what I suppose is the obvious reason.

Seriously. I'd understand if you had a problem with people that were nothing but trouble. It makes sense to not like people that are always doing things that just totally ruin eveything for everybody else... but does it make sense to hate every single member of any group just because a percentage of its members are bad people? If so, what is the bad to okay ratio. The fact is that it isn't okay. Racist activities are negative activities. A racist is every bit as bad as Thieves, Murderers, Bullies, Criminals, and every other class of people that can't exist without making someone else miserable. There is no good in that whatsoever.

I don't like racists and I don't like anyone that would sit there and try to rationalize racism.

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irrational means not governed by or according to reason. he either came to his conclusion that there is a God through reason or without reason. if he did it through reason, then there is no need for faith, if he didnt do it through reason, he did it irrationally.

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If you say so.

Sometimes I don't choose my dinner through reason. Does that mean those choices are irrational? I didn't think the term applied.

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it means you chose them irrationally. you came to the conclusion of what to eat irrationally; but to say the choice you made is irrational is to say you couldnt of come to it through reason not that you did come to it without reason. see the difference?

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That he didn't come to believe that there is a god through reason alone does not make his belief irrational.

He was aware it was a belief. He did not claim that it was a rational certainty.

There are limits to human knowledge. Just as schools of formal logic would be wrong to declare material beyond their scope "irrational" because they are not equipped to judge it, it would be wrong to declare something "irrational" just because your reasoning is not equipped to comprehend and judge it in its entirety. That your knowledge of the universe is not complete and is thus unable to judge as "rational" all that is rational does not lead to the conclusion that anything beyond your knowledge is "irrational." What fallacious logic.

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Aaaand back to the original topic. Kind of.

  So Obama is now officially the President of the United States (unless I misheard the news), and everyone still feels the need to rape my ears with the words "First Black President" and "It's a sign of the times", but the phrase that has inspired me to write this post is this: "Well, we can't call Americans racist anymore".
Oh really? You want to bet your kidneys on that?

  "Look, look, look! Our President is black! It's change!"
No, it's racism. What? Racism does work both ways you know, just like with Discrimination. Remember "Positive Discimination"? If that wasn't a shit-stirring stick I don't know what was.

  So anyway; Until the day comes when a black man can be the first to do something and just be "The first man to..." you're still racist.
  The Obama's are still slaves, and in the worst possible way:

They are slaves to their skin.

"So, it's defeat for you, is it? Someday I must meet a similar fate..."

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Racism...such a waste of life. I sympathize for those who would disallow themselves the benefits and joys of mixing with other cultures. Lord knows my life would not be as fulfilling had I grown up hating caucasians like its just something to do. Oh well, to each their own.

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lol @ last 2.

The masses are uneducated slobs. One white parent, one black parent? Forget the mix of skin tones/features that is different from both races (since it is both races), THE CHILD IS BLACK! Ignorant racists will be ignorant racists. But as long as they have idiot leaders to tell them they are righteous and to be proud of their ignorance, they have all the pride and righteousness of someone with a clue... without the clue.

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Eh, culture has no value. Having a value for culture leads to principle trenching, which is the more pathetic than racism.

Culture is a set of learned behaviors and ideas. That means that different people from different cultures practice different things and have different ideas.

We should expose ourselves to new cultures, yes, but only to adapt our observations from other cultures to improve upon our own when it's appropriate. It's a liberal mistake to assign a value to every culture indiscriminately, because some are more useful than others.

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Culture has no value. What an enlightened statement. Cultures have no intrinsic value? Forget it. Clarification here is worthless anyway.

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Justinian I wrote:

Eh, culture has no value. Having a value for culture leads to principle trenching, which is the more pathetic than racism.

Culture is a set of learned behaviors and ideas. That means that different people from different cultures practice different things and have different ideas.

We should expose ourselves to new cultures, yes, but only to adapt our observations from other cultures to improve upon our own when it's appropriate. It's a liberal mistake to assign a value to every culture indiscriminately, because some are more useful than others.

lol

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all i have to do is post this ...

" i am the bringer of death.. destroyer of worlds"

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Still can't understand why this thread is alive, unless too many players on a internet game are racist 139 relies, amazing.

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> Kal-el wrote:

> Still can't understand why this thread is alive, unless too many players on a internet game are racist 139 relies, amazing.

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Go to hell you troll

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Inhale more glue and come up with another genius thread like this.

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Deci, if you would have said something like: "if a pudel dislikes all pitbulls, is that racism?" That would be alot more relevant than you said.

When you ask bout opinions on racism, we can all assume that youre talking bout humans hating other humans. So if you start a debate, stick to that topic instead.

Why should humans hate eachothers when we TOGETHER can do so much good and make the world a better place for everyone. Why should you use your energy to hate and say that some human races are less worthy, instead of using that energy to help and like ppl. Instead of putting humans in a category, why not try and understand WHY they are thinking the way they do?

We are all humans, it doesnt matter what skin colour or what country you come from. We are all connected by the fact that we are the SAME race.

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It actually makes me upset seeing ppl like Deci, with a one way-minded thinking, that is so destructive and is the main reasons why this world will take A LONG LONG TIME to change into the better.

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>When you ask bout opinions on racism, we can all assume that youre talking bout humans hating other humans

I don't think that's a good definition. I would say racism is any belief in the genetic superiority of one subspecies over another.

>Why should humans hate eachothers when we TOGETHER can do so much good and make the world a better place for everyone.

Like a don't make war, make orgies kinda thing? I'm not a racist, but you're a Hippie. I hate hippies. Does that make me a racist? Are hippies a race of people?

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