@coffeeking: You're wrong on agnosticism: There are (atleast) 2 types of it.

1. People that just claim that they dont know about existance of god (or dont care). ( -> non-religious)
2. People that claim that they (or humans altogether) cannot know about existance of god (like avo stated, this is kind of a belief too as you cant proove it) ( -> religious )

So only the first kind is actually non-religious. What makes agnosticism non-religious is that as an overall term, its just the group of people stating that they dont know about the existance of god. So they fall under 1. The people agreeing to 2nd are just "special agnostics" who become religious over a different matter, namely the possibility of knowledge over the existance of god.

So agnostics are non-religious in their agnosticism. They ofc can become religious over other stuff.

<<"we state that we cannot know or believe in any greater power because it is simply beyond human understanding (if it exists)"

sounds like a set of beleifs to me.>>

It is a simple statement of fact, not a statement of faith, like saying the sky is blue. At the end of the day we cannot truly know if there is a god or not, there is no empirical evidence either way.

Judaism - 7
Buddhism - 21
Hinduism - 12
Sikhism - 11
Taoism - 22
Shinto - 9
Bah

"So only the first kind is actually non-religious."

how do people know that they dont know about the existence of a God? any belief or set of beliefs can be considered a religion. you need to grow up and stop treating religion like the plague, and understand it for what it really is.

they are both non-religious because they both are on the fringe of the religions where the vast majority of people would consider them non-religious.

"how do people know that they dont know"

You're joking, right?

Judaism - 7
Buddhism - 21
Hinduism - 12
Sikhism - 11
Taoism - 22
Shinto - 9
Bah

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You're joking, right?"

nope.

heres the thing. if it was fact, then everyone of every religion that was educated would also be agnostic; but thats not true. its a belief.

coffeeking, you are showing that you do no have any understanding of the topics we are discussing. i'm trying to educate you, but you're too dense.

simple question, if any definition of agnosticism was fact, then would not every educated person on the earth, regardless of their religion also be agnostic?

people deny facts every day, avogadro. Once upon a time the earth was the center of the universe, it was a fact. Once upon a time gods undisputably controlled the weather, sunlight, and outcomes of wars.

"facts" are based upon what Plato said was a base of assumptions. Regardless, Agnostics are skeptics and not scientologists. Scientology bases itself upon the science that Plato proved could not be called fact, and therefore it too is called religion

"heres the thing. if it was fact, then everyone of every religion that was educated would also be agnostic; but thats not true. its a belief."

The belief in God is a belief.
The lack of evidence is a fact.
Even a Bishop can tell you this.

its really simple. either whatever agnostics believe is a fact, that people of all religions believe and thus religious people are agnostics and agnostics are religious, or what agnostics believe isnt a fact, but a belief and agnostics have their own religion.

avogadro, agnostics to not admit to believing anything. they are SKEPTICS. everyone who is part of a religion believes their beliefs to be FACT. agnostics simply have nothing to believe in! its borderline NIHILIST