If 100% of the population makes software, then the product is software, and based upon costs to expenses, the software will be pirated and the nation in question goes bankrupt.

fixt for you flint

> Justinian I wrote:

> No, government is a supplier. It provides services with tax revenue.

However, socialism is a failure, you're right. The reason being that competition and the size of the supplier affect the efficiency of the market, and socialism results with those forces causing inefficiency.

all you need yo fix that is war; fighting an enemy for your way of life will fix those problems even in a socialist environment.

Flint, government has always tried to control the market, either through a degree of socialism or fascism.  Look at the Japanese and U.S. auto-makers, look European agriculture, look at multinational oil companies, look at virtually any significant aspect of any economy, and you'll see either socialist or fascist style control.  What we have NEVER had in history is a free market system.

What has happened with the global financial crisis is this: for years governments and their subsidiaries ( a.k.a. corporations) have been manipulating the various aspects of the global market thinking they were actually controlling it.  They have acted collectively as like children playing in the creek-bed by the shore of the pacific ocean, making little miniature canals and channels around their castles made of sand.  It never quite dawned on them that the tide is coming in.

Now, as it is becoming clearer and clearer to their parents (we are the parents of these stubborn, silly children); now that they are beginning to listen when we tell them that the tide is coming, perhaps they will let their precious canals and castles made of sand be washed away, instead of wasting more time and effort building higher walls and deeper channels.  But, I doubt it, of course.

In all likelihood, they will continue to channel trillions of dollars of your grand children's tax dollars into bailouts for the auto-companies; they will continue to spend trillions of your grand children's tax dollars on their military industrial complex to establish their petty little oil-companies.

And they will continue to charge you as much as you can possibly afford for food.

However, what they will continue to see a lack of in their little pyramid schemes is an increasing lack of talented, capable people willing to do their bidding, because it just so happens that intelligent, talented people also tend to be ethical.  Usually, thank heavens, only stupid people tend to be unethical, and, thus end up working for them.

Yes, they may have the guns, but, again, only because they can't find better ways to solve their problems.  We talented, intelligent, ethical people don't have that problem, end up getting what we want with the barest, minimal effort.   yes, they may use a sledge-hammer to hammer one of us down, but we, toegether, need only use our pinky fingers to lift millions of us up.  Such is power of the consumer in a real, free market system.  We've be brought up to think we had had a free market system, but, as they have made the mistake of making it absolultely and abundantly clear that we don't, consumers are now making decisions about how they use their purchasing power to facilitate free our 'not-so-free-free-market-system'.

It's quite amazing if you actually think about it.  How great it is to be an intelligent, talented, ethical consumer!

A lot of intelligent people are evil just like me, Xeno.

You don't. Okay then.

Yes...So basically all this time and technology and nothing has changed?

Your also forgetting the hunter-gatherers that worked in groups. They would have been communist, no? Like where everyone has a job, and for such a task they get their share of the food cooked, etc?

For once I agree with Justinian. We cannot know how egalitarian one society was and how oppressed another one was.  I'd venture to speculate that such depended on the scarcity of food.

We can know, however, that they probably didn't have the notion that the group should protect the rights of the individual.

> Justinian I wrote:

> Well Sparta, which had some socialist tendencies, pulled that off. But having a militaristic society is also just not cool.

omg, did you just say the Spartans werent cool?!!!!

just a typicall flint post.
if 100% of all people make software there soon will be no teachers anymore who can teach how to make software.

again this black and white thinking is simply sick.

what is needed is the right mix between socialism and free market. it works.

As some ooold german political author once said.. out of 2 things a third appears... but its important to not only look for the center. there are things that can unite 2 "ununitable" things and create a new one.

Socialism is impossible because /economic calculation/ under a socialist system is impossible. Simple as that.

Professions are defined by credientals another way socialism can highly deflect growth and progression, much like communism, it is much more expensive to pay for the credientals for a Civil Engineer then it would be to pay for the credientals of a accountant or teacher, thus the trade off exists why would you choose to pay more, spend more time in school to achieve credintals in a econ where your punished for success something that typical follows large credintials.

Sorry for my typos and mispellings - was doing this in a hurry no time to proof read.