Topic: Global Warming? I do not think so!

WARNING, this post is going to be so danged long, as to defy logic. This is the proofs I have seen, and been wanting to post for a while. Sadly the internet service I was on was browsing only. This one lets me post to tongue

On the bottom you will find probably several hundred links to support my statements. I have been busy finding sources with plenty of evidence and blatantly copying them tongue


Images (If a mod will fix these up, that would be COOL)
Graphs of temperature variations
http://www.michaelcrichton.com/NPC-NewVersion_files/image007.jpg
http://www.daviesand.com/Choices/Precautionary_Planning/New_Data/IceCores1.gif

Pictures of "Temperature reading devices"
http://www.norcalblogs.com/watts/images/Marysville_issues2.JPG
http://www.surfacestations.org/images/lovelock_mig480.jpg


Now the talking moment. The world is not over heating, and climate change is a fancy "fix" for those "climatologists" who fear the coming storm that will bury global warming forever.

QUESTION:
Can you name 3 deserts that used to be the bread baskets of the world? You earn an F if you cannot. Feel free to google it, this is an open book test!

Fact is that the climate has been changing for a long long time on Earth. In fact this change goes back to even the formation of Earth. The air back then, I am assured, had much more heavy metals, phosphorous, and other nasty things in it than it does now. However lets just use the habitable period of time on Earth. During that time we have experienced many full blown ice ages and many severely hot periods.


The global warming crowd is a bunch environmentalists with an agenda (not friendly to humanity) of scientists who want to get rich from panic, politicians who want to get more money to the government and/or have more power over others, media hyping to help the people they wish to elect as well as to make a story to scare people with, and ignorant people like yourself (if you believed in it).

The computer models these people made were their only evidence of strength, with a few papers here and there to try to back it up. However the vast majority of evidence went against them. To fight this they empaneled a bunch of politicians with the few scientists who desired this 'disaster' and proclaimed it truth on the spot, with no one disagreeing.

They were never correct on that, or on the global warming.

Indeed the scientists who have been correct know the true source of heating and lack thereof. The sun. The power of this star is so much, it dictates our temperatures. The method this works is several fold. The sun spots push the electromagnetic sphere around the sun further. This electromagnetic sphere repels cosmic radiation. Cosmic Radiation binds water molecules into clouds. The clouds cool and wet the earth. The cooling is obtained via reflecting the sun's rays back out of the atmosphere earlier than not.

The correct scientists warned of this cooling period. They were correct. Global warming "experts" warned of a Artic Ice Cap melt, a 100% melt. They were wrong. The correct scientists said a wet winter last year and this year. They are correct. The global warming 'experts' warned of droughts everywhere. They were incorrect.

4 years ago the term "climate change" was pushed hard by those leading the agenda, when they realized the truth was escaping them. Climate change was ushered in as the 'correct science' and was needing 'cash for researching the dire effects of climate change'. However there has been science contradicting their claims. At first, since the established source for information... the media... was lying, they controlled the knowledge of the vast majority. However they forgot the internet. At first it was a jumbled, uncoordinated set of 'thats odd' statements. It grew to outrage and minor coordination of information when they realized we were being duped. Now it is heading to a huge ground swell which will shake the foundation of modern politics, and perhaps cause the downfall of many people for going along with the duping of society.

Data showed that some icebergs were shrinking, some stable, and some were growing. However environmentalists, the only ones really doing the examination of these glaciers only reported the shrinking and hid/supressed records of growing glaciers. Indeed some of these records are quite clearly doctored as well. Additionally when reports of a glacier growing came out they would point to a half dozen to dozen glaciers they were seeing shrinking and shout "THEY ARE ALL SHRINKING". Fear and yelling gets environmentalists far you see.

These environmentalists also claimed a record number of ice bergs had suddenly started with the 'global warming'. However the truth is much more simpler. You see prior to the fears of global warming no nation was putting out the cash to track ice bergs that presented no threat to shipping. This meant vast areas of the antarctic circle were not being monitored, as well as some regions of the artic circle. However the hysteria made funding available on an unlimited credit card for environmentalists, who went on a spending spree. One of the things they purchased was 100% tracking of all, yes all... even the ones smaller than a SUV... glaciers around the world. What a spike they got as well.

The environmentalists went on to make claims of water rising around the world. Some area's actually did have water levels rise, while some had levels drop. No scientist has been able to explain in full the reason for the different results, but tidal forces are commonly accepted as the culprit, as well as warming/cooling trends, el nina, el nino, and the likes. In fact in old Europe there was a time when flooding pushed all coastal area's deep inland. However no such flooding occurred in China, lower Africa, or other regions during that time period. It was a regional effect of unique proportions.

Environmentalists have tried to claim tidal flow changes will occur. They use fancy computer models. The first changes should have happened already. No such changes have occurred. Run backwards they show a dramatic series of changes that never occurred. In other words their models do not show reality and do not account for many many factors.

CO2 has been shown to be beneficial to earth, not hostile. In fact if it were not for this gas then nothing would live on Earth. Except some real unique fungus and molds I guess, and the aquatic stuff. In fact the difference is so small, spread on a football field, statistically, we are talking the last few inches of the field. They ignore other gases, like nitrogen, oxygen, and the likes, to focus on one gas in particular. After all one gas makes good news print, trying to define all gases is above the IQ of a news reporter.


The North Pole was supposed to have a 50% chance of 100% melting. Surprisingly this melt did not occur. Oh a thinning did happen, but then suddenly the ice pack grew to the same level as in the 70's. If there is a 50% chance of 100% result, you would think there is a 75% chance of a 75% melt, or some such formula as well. Guess it was a 50% chance of full growth or 50% chance of a complete melt? Can they quit flipping a coin to determine the future weather and at least get a dart board?


Then came the claim that the polar bear will die off. Geez... the polar bear is at the highest record levels ever recorded over the last 100 years. 25,000. They are stable at their current numbers, and are not in danger of dying off. In fact a trivia fact. How long does a female polar bear NOT EAT. Answer: 9 months if pregnant.


The fact is that the entire agenda is one of money, power, control, manipulation, fear mongering, super radical environmentalism gone wild, and idiots passing it off as truth without looking in depth at the truth.

The nails are being placed against the coffin of Global Warming, and against Man Made Climate Change. Learn more if you wish, information is below. LOTS OF INFORMATION. Credit to Popular Technology for the vast majority of this work.



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"CO2 for different people has different attractions. After all, what is it? - it

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Re: Global Warming? I do not think so!

tl;dr

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

Re: Global Warming? I do not think so!

> thirdrock wrote:

> tl;dr

<parrot> there is also the odd  possibility that tryme is an idiot
<KT> possibility?
<genesis> tryme is a bit of an idiot
<Torqez> bit?

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> [Pw9] Lyvidian wrote:

> > thirdrock wrote:

> tl;dr

Morbo: Morbo can't understand his teleprompter. He forgot how you say that letter that looks like a man with a hat.
Linda: It's a 't'. It goes "tuh".
Morbo: Hello, little man. I will destroy you!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpP7b2lUxVE

Re: Global Warming? I do not think so!

wtf man? i anit gonna read all that, no way in hell...
warm or not... yikes seriously get some sort of life... i kno u said it was gonna be long..but DAMN

Canadians don't fear the cold, the cold fears Canadians!

Re: Global Warming? I do not think so!

Well I read it. Every word except I didn't click the link on any of the sources. I didn't find it interesting or compelling. I've never found science interesting. It's always been a money game. Twist some facts for someone and they'll donate to your lab.

My fish is swimming upside down! What the heck! Have you ever seen a fish swim upside down? He seems perfectly and calm. He's swimming casually upside down about mid depth in the tank.

Rehabilitated IC developer

Re: Global Warming? I do not think so!

A10 that either means hes an awesome trickster fish or hes going to die.

I had a fish with no eyes before. They just popped right out. No idea what happened there...

Morbo: Morbo can't understand his teleprompter. He forgot how you say that letter that looks like a man with a hat.
Linda: It's a 't'. It goes "tuh".
Morbo: Hello, little man. I will destroy you!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpP7b2lUxVE

Re: Global Warming? I do not think so!

Can you compress that please Flint

Re: Global Warming? I do not think so!

What is your point though?
Global warming or not, fact remains that the world is getting poluted at a high rate.

NEE NAW NEE NAW

Primo

Re: Global Warming? I do not think so!

"If there is a 50% chance of 100% result, you would think there is a 75% chance of a 75% melt,"

Yes, flint, yes.

You are obviously right and experts on this matter are all wrong, i mean, you can't argue with the statement above, solid proof.

What do I have to work with?

Re: Global Warming? I do not think so!

Funny how Flint attracts all the idiots to post.

Re: Global Warming? I do not think so!

me bets flint is out of work again.. seriously thats more work put into one post than any og my school papers...

LORD HELP OREGON

Re: Global Warming? I do not think so!

well i have to admit.. flint put back some life into this forums... tongue

Re: Global Warming? I do not think so!

what Primo said

Re: Global Warming? I do not think so!

cut it off at the comma will you TU? Thats like getting naked then getting dressed while she wants sex.


Highly polluted huh? That the best argument you can make to spend trillions, destroy economies, and put the world into a deep depression? Oh I fear your debating skills.

If you remove carbon dioxide as a pollutant world pollutant levels are SIGNIFICANTLY DOWN! Oh I am sorry, did I just destroy your argument?

Do some research on your own. Recycling is up, hazardous waste is more controlled and kept safe, cars emit much less hazardous materials, and nuke plants are becoming so safe as to be unable to go critical via design.


Eliminate Carbon Dioxide and your argument fails utterly.

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Elimination Carbon Dioxide would be a big step but it is not done.
Also you talk about how it is in the US. again you forget that america is not the world. only a very tiny part of it.

Is waste deposited safe in China? is it in India? is it in Africa?

Nuclear Power had been sooo safe before tschernobyl happened also... people said.

If you now say that the recission is caused by enviromentalists it just makes me laugh.

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You are out of touch if you call antiquated USSR reactors safe. The new Lithium Ion Reactors cannot go out with a bang. If the temperature raises the radioactives are pushed away from each other naturally, thus instantly cooling the reactor. Invented in Japan, the only nation to have a true reason to fear nukes and accidental explosions, prior to Chernobyl.


The United States is NOT RESPONSIBLE for Africa, China, or the stuff coming from your mouth, which may be the most toxic of it all... A lie trying to alter the argument.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
Kemp currently not being responded to until he makes CONCISE posts.
Avogardo and Noir ignored by me for life so people know why I do not respond to them. (Informational)

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"Do some research on your own. Recycling is up, hazardous waste is more controlled and kept safe, cars emit much less hazardous materials, and nuke plants are becoming so safe as to be unable to go critical via design.
Eliminate Carbon Dioxide and your argument fails utterly."

What about smog? What about small particle dust? What about massive erosion? Those things have become a great problem that didn't reduce over the decades....
Neglecting the truth is negationism Flint, and it's criminal towards the earth's children..

God: Behold ye angels, I have created the ass.. Throughout the ages to come men and women shall grab hold of these and shout my name...

Re: Global Warming? I do not think so!

sure the US is not responsible for africa. but pollution is a global problem.
if china produces shitloads of smog.. its japan who need to suffer.
if in the chzech republic that reactor they just wanna reactivate blows.. hence its europes problem also.

have u ever been to athens in summer? best coming from sea side?

also i said that the reactores were considered safe before chernobyl happened. tofay we sure know they were not. you can tell me a lot about your gorgeous country.. to me it appears as you would need to compensate a lack of penis length or whatever.

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Smog in the United States is tremendously down, and still on a downward curve as older vehicles are replaced with modern ones.

Massive Erosion? That makes me wonder... How was the Grand Canyon formed if not for that? The Mesa's of Arizona?

This idea of yours that this has not occurred, been occurring is a failure. Just because people finally had the time to stop and smell more than the roses does not mean it has not been ongoing around the world. Wake up and find that this has been historically true through time.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
Kemp currently not being responded to until he makes CONCISE posts.
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How many of these threads has Flint abandoned the instant someone started working on it and pointed out that the entire essay is based on sources that are either years out of date or little more than internet quotes with no sources or backing?

"So, it's defeat for you, is it? Someday I must meet a similar fate..."

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Fokker try to break a hole in this one, please. Oh do try, so far I am so far ahead of the competition here, they are completely abandoning global warming and climate change for:

Smog
Pollution


And they are using these as a basis to go along with the lies of Global Warming and Climate change.

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Btw I missed the small particle dust thing... I actually wanted to say something about it later... there are companies making nano particles to add to thier products.

The hysteria there is so unfounded.


Quick and easy question for anyone in science. What is the smallest thing you come in to contact with everyday? Is it an Atom, a Molecule, or a Complex Molecule?  If you guessed Atom you are correct! The Oxygen Atom, a small, difficult to see object is entering your body every day. So is others!!! And whats worse, if your a panicking sort, is that larger groups of atoms are entering your body at any given time, or touching it! Yes I said it is touching you!!!!

What can you do about these particles? Sadly nothing, they are normal and all invasive. Well I suppose you could become a bubble boy... good luck with that however.

In fact particle groupings exist on so many sizes and scales, from atoms up to well... stars if you truly want to get down to it.

This variety has not always been noticed, with some people thinking it is a new thing, they are in a panic. Dust after all never existed before they existed, or so they would have us think. However it might be un-nice to point out to these people that every volcanic eruption, every dust storm, every cow fart creates very fine particles with can and have linked into even such large things as dust. Oh wait do not tell them cows, they might freak out and try to ban beef next!

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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"This idea of yours that this has not occurred, been occurring is a failure. Just because people finally had the time to stop and smell more than the roses does not mean it has not been ongoing around the world. Wake up and find that this has been historically true through time."

So, just because it's been happening forever, we shouldn't try to stop it, even if it's killing our planet?
Good argument there hmm

NEE NAW NEE NAW

Primo

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Re: Global Warming? I do not think so!

man ffs

"Massive Erosion? That makes me wonder... How was the Grand Canyon formed if not for that? The Mesa's of Arizona? "

first of all: recent investigations have showed that the grand canyon is at least 17 million years old, while the river colorado is only 6 million yrs old, so we dont know how its formed

second: do u have absolutely NO IDEA about the geological periods we r speaking here? the erosion that is happening now in holland, and bangkok is progressing ALARMINGLY fast, nowhere near the normal rate of about a cm/yr, its close to a meter / yr compared to sea level (bangkok that is)

third: ur graph of temperature evolvement shows a noticable elevation at the end, while we KNOW we passed the warmest point of our interglacial period so temperatures should slowly be decreasing

fourth: do u have no idea about chemistry? if u find a good precise test, ull measure that everyone at any time is breathing in highly radioactive uranium, but only a few parts compared to the idioticly huge amounts of air we breath in. CONCENTRATION is the key here, if u get a few molecules of cyanide in u, u wont even notice; if u eat 30 bananas ull die from a potassiumoverload

fifth: when i ride my bike through town (eg Mortsel, belgium), and i get home and clean my nose, i see my snot is BLACK, im kinda worried about the small dust particles in the air

plz dont try to blow us away with ur massive collection of sources, huge load of crap