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Nixxon? Bush? Carter? Who will be known in history to come as the worst American President ever?
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Nixxon? Bush? Carter? Who will be known in history to come as the worst American President ever?
Captain Kirk!
Janeway was way worse
Reagan!
Some explanation / argumentation would be nice...
The worst president cant really be calculated. Each president has had their own set of challenges to face and I believe that Bush has had his fair share. The fact that his foreign policy is nonsensical is one reason why he might be voted for worst president ever. The sad fact is that people will vote him to be worst president ever is for his economic policy and i believe that is tragic. Nothing he did really injured the economic policy. The home prices have been inflated since the clinton years when he approved of the bill to increase loans for low-income home buyers.
I cant comment on any other president because i dont really remember them.
JFK because of the Bay of Pigs Fiasco and bringing the world the closest to nuclear Holocaust thats its ever been.
No, JFK was smart, and we weren't even close to a nuclear war. It's just fashionable to call it that. In truth, based on the circumstances the USSR was guaranteed to concede. The US also made some concessions as well. The reason is that nuclear war was too costly for a petty diplomacy dispute.
I vote for Andrew Jackson. That fool put us in a recession because of his principles. On the other hand, he was a gifted general.
This vote is hard though. And Woodrow Wilson, Reagan and others were also pretty poor. Wilson was far more idealistic than pragmatic, and so was Reagan. Though little bad came from Reagan's presidency other than American business becoming more cartel-like, he upset the balance of power when he could have prevented it. Upsetting the balance of power like he did had potentially grave consequences, and we're fortunate there were no immediate ones.
Jimmy Carter. he came into a poor economy and, with the help of a liberal congress, used liberal policies like windfall profits taxes on oil companies, increased taxes, and increased spending on public projects. surprise surprise things got worse. Thank GOD i wasn't alive during that time. it was the only time when it was believed that american children could expect a lower standard of living then their parents.
"it was the only time when it was believed that american children could expect a lower standard of living then their parents."
Like nowadays?
Jimmy Carter or Woodrow Wilson.
Both of them thought killing the rich, paying the poor, and public projects would help.
I would say Obama, yet he has not taken office yet so technically does not qualify. However Prophecy wise, and I am a Prophet, he will be the one who sets back Blacks in office for a decade or more, so the news headlines will read, and will utterly destroy the notion of Liberal Policies of his nature for a good while (The remainder of my lifetime)
Lincoln, tyrant and gravedigger of the american revolution.
Franklin D. Roosevelt,a closet socialist and warmonger who killed millions of people.
"I would say Obama, yet he has not taken office yet so technically does not qualify. However Prophecy wise, and I am a Prophet, he will be the one who sets back Blacks in office for a decade or more, so the news headlines will read, and will utterly destroy the notion of Liberal Policies of his nature for a good while (The remainder of my lifetime)"
So, you're saying Obama will be a terrible president, partly because it'll get more black people in office?
"Both of them thought killing the rich, paying the poor, and public projects would help."
You need to redistribute wealth, or your economy simply collapses... So taking money from the rich and redistribute it to the poor is only self-preservation. It's odd that the more the pure capitalist gets in trouble, the harder people cling to it...
> xeno syndicated wrote:
> "it was the only time when it was believed that american children could expect a lower standard of living then their parents."
Like nowadays?
Yes that can be true if Obama does what he says and repeats history.
"You need to redistribute wealth, or your economy simply collapses... So taking money from the rich and redistribute it to the poor is only self-preservation. It's odd that the more the pure capitalist gets in trouble, the harder people cling to it..."
FDR tried that and so did Carter and all it did was prolong the crisis not fix it.
Then Carter didn't do it properly
This is exactly why europeans don't suffer from the credit crunch so hard.
> You need to redistribute wealth, or your economy simply collapses... So taking money from the rich and redistribute it to the poor is only self-preservation. It's odd that the more the pure capitalist gets in trouble, the harder people cling to it...
There's a joke about the busiest day for drug-dealers being April 15th, day for welfare payments. Can you guess why?
Anyway, I would have to go for Carter on this one. At no other time besides the Depression was there such a malaise in the country. Some of it resulted from the defeat in Vietnam, the rest was from the economic crisis which Carter only inflamed further by having ridiculously high tax rates. Even Obama realizes that tax cuts are necessary in this situation.
"Lincoln, tyrant and gravedigger of the american revolution."
he was my 2nd choice.
"There's a joke about the busiest day for drug-dealers being April 15th, day for welfare payments. Can you guess why?"
Not all unemployed people are thugs Cowmasta...
> Ichabod Robert Peerless wrote:
> "There's a joke about the busiest day for drug-dealers being April 15th, day for welfare payments. Can you guess why?"
Not all unemployed people are thugs Cowmasta...
not thugs just bums
I hope Obama won't be the worst pres.
He got 4 years of office whether we like it or not. Annyway, dunno the worste, but one of the bests is Roosevelt.
>You need to redistribute wealth, or your economy simply collapses... So taking money from the rich and redistribute it to the poor is only self-preservation. It's odd that the more the pure capitalist gets in trouble, the harder people cling to it...
WTH!!!! WTF!!!!! OMFG!!!! Now this is pure nonsense.
What does a rich man do with his money? Does he make a mattress that can hold it all? Does he Burn it? How is he irresponsible with it that it does not contribute?
I say you are so wrong as to defy logic.
A rich person stays rich by SPENDING his/her money. In fact most of their wealth is not in cash, but in the value of the things they own. Every penny they make ultimately is via employing others to do things smartly, economically, and productively... Thus how they get their extensive wealth to increase. If you invest in a company, excepting day trading and stock trading in general, which I will talk of in a few days, you are giving them, like say Google... the cash to create new jobs, to create new products, to pay people better wages. This was a wise investment if you got on board early btw, you might even be a millionaire if you did it on day 1.
If I buy a painting, as a billionaire, I have financed the arts. Same with a statue, a pond, or an opera house.
If I build a mansion I have furnished hundreds of jobs, from the plumbers, to the cement/foundation people, to the wall hangers, to the furniture makers, to the tile installers, to the carpet people, to the electricians, to the roofers, and more.
The rich are rich, unless they inherited, or traded up to it, because they know how to make money better than you or me (well you at least, I am moving up the chain now). Even trading takes skill and effort, and is not to be underestimated.
Einstein,
But there is that class of wealthy, the super rich, who are given their position because of birth (not merit) and are allowed to screw things up because their companies have a competitive advantage in their reputations, control of resources, and networks with the right political organizations and people.
Here's a good example. At present Chelsea Clinton earns $250,000 working at a financial firm. She's in her middle twenties, has a degree in history, and her parents are well connected and wealthy. In your opinion, Flint, does Chelsea Clinton owe her position to her incredible merit or her family?
Now personally, I have nothing against taking away from the super rich. But because of practical limitations, it usually ends up where the lower rich are the ones who get screwed and then that eliminates potential competitors to the super rich. So ultimately, it only reinforces the problem it's intended to solve.
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