the dismantlement of the Israeli state is the only thing that will bring lasting peace. Those Jews were all dumped there by the British after WW2 anyway and they continually want more.

Peace can be achieved quite simply: more nude beaches!

> [RPA] Arocalex wrote:

> the dismantlement of the Israeli state is the only thing that will bring lasting peace. Those Jews were all dumped there by the British after WW2 anyway and they continually want more.<

No... The Jews want to be left alone.  The only reason they're entering Gaza is because Hamas won't leave them alone.  Hezbollah aren't kicking up a fuss right now and Israel has left them alone.  Same with Syria and Jordan.

The only way for lasting peace would be for either to Hamas or Israel to be completely wiped out.  Iran knows this but they're all talk (thankfully).  Britain and America know it but don't want to get involved in that sense.

Damn straight

"The Jews have been persecuted by nations and empires for centuries and I think they deserve to be left in peace."

As Deci mentioned this is the same case with gypsies.  Persecution of the Jews has always stemmed from the fact that they were nomads, they had no real place to call home and as such were found almost everywhere in small numbers making them an easy scape goat.

I think the idea behind the formation of Israel is certainly understandable, give them a place to call home and the means to defend themselves, but I want to know which particular moron thought it would be a good idea to plop them down in an area not known for racial or religious tolerance.  As long as Israel exists where it does there will be muslims who want to destroy it; just  as they would want to destroy a Hindu, Christian, Buddhist, etc. nation if it were placed there.

In my mind there are two simple solutions; Relocate Israel (Hard as hell, gives groups like Hamas and Hezbolah the impression that their tactics work); or reduce the middle east to a smouldering crater (Lot of human rights issues and the destruction of valuable resources but brutally efficient).

I guess the Brits should have butchered everyone in their controlled part of america that had lived there for over 3-4 generations

yes many jews died a horrible death in nazi germany.
but what do the palestinians have to do with it?
why should they let israel dance o

We should support Israel because of their strategic political value. Screw morality, lets only consider strategic value. They keep a kind of balance of power in the ME that's favorable to the west.

If the Palestinians won't stop, who says we can't be ruthless? Who would dare challenge the American Empire if our policy was this: Either enjoy the benefits of being our allies and trade partners, or be destroyed by our imperial might. That's was Rome's policy, and it works great. Playing the morality game like the British Empire is just silly.

The exception would be with countries we can not destroy, or whose existence is too valuable, in which case detente and balance of power would be the policies pursued. But for a marginalized people in the middle of a proxy war, who cares?

"the dismantlement of the palestinian/Israeli state is the only thing that will bring lasting peace. Those muslims were all dumped there because it is a hell hole and they continually want more."

Nay, the Levant area was always an area where Muslims, Christians and Jews coexisted. This was never really a problem for the Ottoman ruler (or the Mamlukes before that, or in fact any muslim leader). It only started to become a problem in WWI. The British promised both the Jewish and Muslim people an own country there, if they started to fight the Ottoman leadership. After WWI, more Jews moved back thinking they'd soon get the land. Instead the British and French divided the lands among themselves, not really inclined to give it to the people. After WWII, Europe felt they ought to repay the Jewish somehow, and this was the start for more migration to that area. Soon the Jewish immigrants and war survivors, on the old promise of WWI, claimed it as theirs and formed the country of Israel. Also, the palestinian state is not yet officially internationally recognised.

Now as for the claims of the Jewish people for calling it "their" land, recent historic studies have shown that the Jewish area of biblical times must have been way smaller than the Bible or the Jewish themselves always claimed. For this I refer to "Diabolic Digest", a site where one of the Guardian's middle-east experts publishes his articles for his own as well (the layout is crap, I've told him a billion times).

As for my opinion: I think (based on the historic background of both parties) that they both deserve the right to be there. However, the Jewish have driven the Palestinians to the dry areas and killed the palestinian state economicly, and some dtastic changes in borders should be made. Also, the kibbuts and the wall should be demolished in long terms. If peace is the one and only goal they're going for.
The current attacks in Ghaza against Hamas is out of proportion and should stop immediatly. Hamas is a monster Israel created for not wanting to make compromizes in the past, and like the IRA, it'll never truely end if nothing else changes.

"No they didn't.  The Jews were placed there by a UN mandate shortly after WW2.  Also, who is the first to fire after every ceasefire has expired? Hamas.  The Israelis just want to stop them firing rockets at Israeli civilans."

lmao, the UN did not place Jews there after WW2, the UN allowed Jews that wanted to to move there.