76 (edited by Wild Flower Soul 20-Mar-2008 11:10:50)

Re: Individuality, Socialism and you

"Dont they take the orders first, then make the vehicle ?  Arent they also limited to the number of vehicles they make a year ?? Just off the top of my head."

Then the orders don't change a lot over the years. The demand stays the same, thus they're inelastic. My point is still valid.

"Did you read the article on Luxury taxes placed on Yachts ?"

No, the link doesn't work tongue

"Art, Home ownership.  They have no elasticity at all.  There is only one home you will live in.  There is only one piece of art.  Doesnt fall under the elasticity rule.  One buyer, one seller."

Except that they're usually auctioned wink Or from galleries, when it's a still a productive artist. Prices for such things don't matter to the buyers, as the status that goes with it is more important.

"On indocrtination  ??  I just think you have limited life experience.  3 years of uni vs. what I have to offer. Its really logical.  Your view of ceilings and floors and extra taxes....and rich and poor.....its noble, but not reasonable."

Not a valid arguement in this discussion wink

BTW: you said the USA didn't tax food. Well, in a way, that means you have scaled taxes wink

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Re: Individuality, Socialism and you

@BW

"A Libertarian doesnt support Socialized medicine, and socialized Education.  So you are FAR from a libertarian."

Yes I support those things. In My economic views I'm center-right. Those are the basic things needed for an intelligent and healthy people. I support closing of hospitals and schools that cannot compete. I don't support the district school system u have in the USA. I support a flat tax. I support that the employer can fire workers with minimal bureocracy. I support the weakening of workers unions. I think unemployment checks should't be payed for people who haven't found a job in 8 months etc.

But this is in my own country in the USA I would be economically more left because, unlike in my country, you already have a developed economy which should be used for the benefit of people. There are different ways to how countries should be governed depending on the developement of the country.

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automatic weapons."-General Douglas MacArthur
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Re: Individuality, Socialism and you

PVP

Yea....If you believe in such .... why do you think the Govt should provide for education and Health care ?

I believe as you do.  Is it such a stretch to believe people can also select from the array of available options, or choose none if they so choose ?

Come .......joust w/the master.
I'm always Right.   You are just intellectually Left.....behind.
Individual patriot, and a REAGAN Conservative.

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Because it works well in my country(especially education).

We have private healthcare/education next to government controlled facilities. So if you want to pay more you can go right ahead. And u dont need a medical card to be treated if its an emergency or if your just going in for a check-up.

Yes education through to highschool is government controlled but highschool isn't compulsary. The schools compete with each other to atract students. There are competitions into getting schools, so the smarter children get into better schools than the other ones. There are also schools for learning a trade after you finish middle school, like auto mechanics or cooking. For college you still have to pay but it doesnt cost 50 000$ a year.

The only problem with government controlled healthcare is that the doctors get paid to little.

"Whoever said the pen is mightier than the sword obviously never encountered
automatic weapons."-General Douglas MacArthur
"Cluster bombing from B-52s are very, very, accurate. The bombs are guaranteed
to always hit the ground."-USAF Ammo Troop

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PVP

It doesnt cost 50K a year here either for the ave. Person.  Dont believe that crap you read. 
Unless you want to pay the bill.

College in the US.  Each state has their own University system for state residents:
SUNY (State University of New York)
PER SEMESTER
Full time:
NYS Resident undergraduate - $2,175
NYS Resident graduate - $3,450
NYS Resident MBA - $3,550

Non-NYS resident undergraduate - $5,305
Non-NYS resident graduate - $5,460
Non-NYS resident MBA - $5,670

This is Spring '08 rates.

There is a vast amount of Scholarships and grants.
Student employment on campus is available to upper classman.
Its not impossible to get a "job" Part-time at a min. as a student.... OMG (but BW, how can they study?)  Come now.....lets be real.
Low interest, INTEREST - deferred loans.  Interest payments only due a period of time after graduation/separation from school.

* * *

Health care, again......poor have coverage through medicaid, etc.  There are plenty of "Public" hospitals, clinics to go to in the US. 

Its enough.  In the US, I dont want mandatory with holdings from my earnings to bloat the system anymore than it already is.

Come .......joust w/the master.
I'm always Right.   You are just intellectually Left.....behind.
Individual patriot, and a REAGAN Conservative.

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It doesn't this much here I think its 2000$ average.

"Whoever said the pen is mightier than the sword obviously never encountered
automatic weapons."-General Douglas MacArthur
"Cluster bombing from B-52s are very, very, accurate. The bombs are guaranteed
to always hit the ground."-USAF Ammo Troop

Re: Individuality, Socialism and you

Thats because its overly subsidized by tax payers....of all kinds.  It burdens the Economy.

Very few....I dont know anyone,.... that pays a full tuition.

Also,  Research the TOTAL cost, not the charged cost of the tuition.  Even at this State school, its actual per child cost is much higher.

I believe you get what you pay for.

Why should others pay ?

Please, dont give me the "Society" answer.  There are those that have the means, and those that dont. 

In the US, IF...you dont have the means, your Brain will DEFFINATLY get you into any facility.
If your marginally intelligent, and go to state school, or city university, all you  need to do is take the entrance exams.  Most waive the passing of the "entrance" exams until after the 2nd YEAR !!!

ROFL.....along the way, you get the needed tutoring, if you need it, to pass the test.

Please.....people, especially you foreigners, really need to know the US system first. 
Most read a news article, or watch a ... Ahem... Michael Moore movie for their incorrect facts.

Come .......joust w/the master.
I'm always Right.   You are just intellectually Left.....behind.
Individual patriot, and a REAGAN Conservative.

83 (edited by Wild Flower Soul 26-Mar-2008 00:16:01)

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"College in the US.  Each state has their own University system for state residents:
SUNY (State University of New York)
PER SEMESTER
Full time:
NYS Resident undergraduate - $2,175
NYS Resident graduate - $3,450
NYS Resident MBA - $3,550
Non-NYS resident undergraduate - $5,305
Non-NYS resident graduate - $5,460
Non-NYS resident MBA - $5,670"

Those prices are staggering. We pay a little more than 500EUR for a full year.

"Thats because its overly subsidized by tax payers....of all kinds.  It burdens the Economy."

I don't see what's wrong with a country investigating in it's future by investing in education. I'd rather have my country heavily invest in proper education and future rather then the military force.. That, my dear, burdens your economy wink
Besides, USA schools tend to have extensive sports facilities (at least, that's what I've seen in documentaries), over here it only 1 sportshall. I don't know why a school should have a swimming pool etc.

"The only problem with government controlled healthcare is that the doctors get paid to little."

Not necessarily. Over here, you get most of your medical expenses back by wellfare, but pay a small part of it as well. We have a sort of regulation that there can be only 1 doctor for a certain amount of people (and our doctor/population ratio is higher then in most other countries), so the doctor's quite sure of his/her income wink

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@WFS

I don't know where you live but here doctors get paid to little. Construction workers even get paid more.

"Whoever said the pen is mightier than the sword obviously never encountered
automatic weapons."-General Douglas MacArthur
"Cluster bombing from B-52s are very, very, accurate. The bombs are guaranteed
to always hit the ground."-USAF Ammo Troop

85 (edited by Wild Flower Soul 26-Mar-2008 00:14:17)

Re: Individuality, Socialism and you

Belgium, pvp

On the other hand, I think that if people study to become a doctor they know very well what they start with. It's a hard job with bloody annoying hours and the payment is perhaps small....

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