Kemp.  Please consider the following facts for a while before we continue this 'debate'.

Hunger Facts: International
World Hunger and Poverty: How They Fit Together

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      923 million people across the world are hungry. 3
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      Every day, almost 16,000 children die from hunger-related causes--one child every five seconds. 12
    * In essence, hunger is the most extreme form of poverty, where individuals or families cannot afford to meet their most basic need for food. 1

    * Hunger manifests itself in many ways other than starvation and famine. Most poor people who battle hunger deal with chronic undernourishment and vitamin or mineral deficiencies, which result in stunted growth, weakness and heightened susceptibility to illness. 1

    * Countries in which a large portion of the population battles hunger daily are usually poor and often lack the social safety nets we enjoy, such as soup kitchens, food stamps, and job training programs. When a family that lives in a poor country cannot grow enough food or earn enough money to buy food, there is nowhere to turn for help. 1

Facts and Figures on Population

    * Today our world is home to 6.6 billion people. 2

    * The United States is a part of the high-income group of nations, which consists of about 65 countries with a combined population of about 1 billion, less than one sixth of the world

Kemp, now that you have had time to consider the above facts, I'd like to present 2 points I found, in my opinion, to be sound.  I'm presenting them not as my points, because you don't respect my arguments.  Anyway, I'll quote them and ask if you could provide your opinions on them.  I am sincerely interested in hearing your responses.

Topic 1.  The cause of hunger / starvation in the world today

The problem lies in the distribution of the world's food. The majority of food is produced in economically more developed countries such as USA, but those countries that are really in need of their share of the food to solve their hunger problems, cannot afford the high prices that these farmers charge and can get from other richer countries.

Topic 2.  The agri-tech inequality between 'developed' countries and 'developing countries'

Technological advances have included the wide use of artificial fertilizers and the rapid developments in mechanization (the use of machines in the production of food). In the last 25 years, technological advances have lead to food production growing at an annual rate of 2.8%, whereas population growing at an annual rate of 2.0%.

However, on a more local scale, economically more developed countries where technological advancement can be easily funded and developed, there has been a much greater gap between the difference between annual increase food production compared to rate of population expansion. The less economically developed countries, where governments and businesses are unable to afford to develop or import technologies, has meant the annual increase in food production has been less than the rate that the population has been expanding. The result: chronic persistent hunger in less economically developed countries.

i love the world hunger crisis.  i cant stand all this "feed the children" crap, if there was a "starve the children" foundation, i'd be the first to donate.  the faster we circle the drain the better it is for everyone involved.

I'm not against charity.

Cry more about magical robots plz. kthnx.

change for the sake of change is idiotic; so right up your ally, xeno

Xeno,

Wait so, because Capitalism has not solved the ages old problem of world hunger, it makes it in to a failure? It may not mold the world in to your fantasy expectation, but that doesn't mean it doesn't work.

"Wait so, because Capitalism has not solved the ages old problem of world hunger, it makes it in to a failure? It may not mold the world in to your fantasy expectation, but that doesn't mean it doesn't work"

A resource-based economy could still be capitalism.  Whether or not such a resource-based economy would be socialist-leaning or fascist-leaning, it would still be capitalism!  The only difference is there would be none of this digital 1's and 0's to indicate what is 'money' anymore.

@ Kemp

I've tried to be nice, but you're really starting to piss me off.  Stop saying "magical robots" you twit.  I have never said they were 'magical'.  Where'd you get that notion?  Oh, I know.  For you, I suppose every new technology is 'magical'. When you first saw one at the store you were confounded by their very possible existence, and ran away from them like a frightened little monkey. I suppose the internet is 'magical' to you, too, Kemp, eh?  Watch out, Kemp.  I'm about to use the magical internet on you now and turn you into a monkey.  Wait, not necessary.  You already are.  Get with the times.  Evolve.

>>>Why does it matter that they're "white"?<<<

Umm, because the VAST majority of starving people aren't!  You think there isn't an element of racial oppression involved here?  You bet your ass there is, only in part because for the past 300 years it's been the countries primarily populated by people of European roots that have drafted the laws and agreements by which the rest of humanity is to follow.

"They were already prostituting themselves. How do you think they got the HIV?"

Please explain.  Are you saying that the parents prostituted their children?

xeno asked: >>Please tell me why it is exactly you think the way things are is so great.<<

kemp answered: >>That there are a lot of whores in Thailand has nothing to do with me. And I don't care about whores in Thailand. Which works out great, because they don't care about me either. That their nation is *ed up is NOT my fault and NOT my problem. If you want to help them donate your wealth and dedicate your time to educating them."<<

That's your answer?  Pathetic.  Why do I bother responding to such an idiot?

> xeno syndicated wrote:

> Avo

"And how has that [charity] been working out?"

It is clear to me that if still today every 15 seconds a child starves, whatever it is that we have been doing to improve this situation clearly has NOT been working.

Another approach is needed, not just for the sake of change, avo.

The West is whining about losing jobs, financial crisis, yadda, yadda, yawn, yawn.  Especially in Iceland, lol.

Do they really expect any sympathy?  Who cares about Iceland, or Detroit? What are all these fat, rich white people whining about?  They are protesting about a so called financial crisis?   How embarrassing.

In the rest of the world, thousands of children are dying from cholera and other easily preventable diseases, and malnutrition every day, millions of children, whose parents have died from aids and who are now orphans, have to prostitute themselves to pay for food so their younger brothers and sisters don't die.

And you Westerners are whining about a financial crisis?

You actually think, avo, that this monetary, global economic system is working?

You really don't think there is reason to at least consider a new approach?

I mean, maybe people like you and Kemp like taking trips to Thailand and [masking, naughty naughty] little starving kids.  Is that what you like about the way things are?  Please tell me why it is exactly you think the way things are is so great.

your approach considering some people's needs greater then others is more like Nazism then anything else.  as i stated previously and your post just supported, you supply basic needs to people and what is considered basic needs just goes higher. but that doesnt keep it from being basic or valid. there arent valid and invalid cultures, you bigot.

your approach considering some people's needs greater then others is more like Nazism then anything else.  as i stated previously and your post just supported, you supply basic needs to people and what is considered basic needs just goes higher. but that doesnt keep it from being basic or valid. there arent valid and invalid cultures, you bigot

Have you missed the whole purpose of this threaD?  Do you suffer from memory lapses or something?  Look at the first post again.  This is the topic.

Free food and water for EVERYONE is possible. 

Now, you're calling me a biggot because I want to have a TECHNOLOGICAL solution to the problem of poverty - an automated system that creates food and water at no financial cost.  You can't get it through your head that I'm not a communist can you?  You just get it that I am NOT trying to take any of your precious 'basic' needs away (high-speed internet, cable TV, X-box, SUV, etc.).  You just can't see it can you?  A TECHNOLOGICAL solution is what I am calling for here.  Hell, I'm not even saying subsidized agriculture is the solution.  You just can't seem to get it that your CURRENT system is more socialist than what i am proposing, can you?

Don't worry, nobody's going to take away your precious toys, stupid kid.

When did you try to have an argument with me? You're an idiot. You can't even express your own ignorant and retarded views, let alone engage another in any sort of meaningful exchange.

>>Is this really fun for you, Kemp?<<

No. I think you're disgusting. Your ignorance is matched only by your arrogance and stupidity. I'm embarassed that any of my fellow men are so idiotic.

>>To twist and turn, writing like a worm in this argument with me, trying to make it personal<<

I was just making fun of you. It's been obvious for a half dozen pages now that you aren't capable of any sort of exchange, so I'm not going to have half of one with myself.

>> instead of an actual academic argument. <<

This is up there with the dumbest things you've said. You're obviously not very educated, but you fill this void with big talk and you keep repeating the dumbest of it.

>>You are totally ignoring the issue just so you can feel like you win, when in fact I just keep pwning, pwning and pwning you again and again and again.<<

I don't feel like I winning anything. I think you're the dumbest moron this forum has ever seen, but I don't like this is a contest anyone can win. "pwning"? Is that what you call rambling about robots and other disconnected thoughts and being made fun of for pages on end? Keep at it.

>>Are you or are you not suggesting that adults in poor, under-developed countries pimp their kids?<<

It's a simple fact that they do. Who cares? I don't. I don't pimp my kids. My country doesn't allow it by law. We even enforce those laws pretty well.

>>Now, after you answer that question, would you please explain if in fact that is that your argument for not even contemplating other possible approaches to solving the issue other than charity?<<

It's a complicated "issue." How can you keep a warlord from confiscating aid and selling it while the people it was intended for die? Short of use military force to remove such a dictator and impose your will, or underhanded tactics that often backfire when the next person you helped to power turns out to be worse, you can't. It's not your country and it's not your problem. It's on people to revolt when necessary and possible to take care of themselves and their families. Foreign meddling makes things worse at least as often as it does any good.

>>Would you also explain if it is your position that these parents and their kids deserve this starvation, AIDS, poverty, etc. because they and their parents are a bunch of drug-using pimps and prostitutes?<<

I never talked about anyone "deserving" anything. But it's a simple truth that I can't stop whores from killing each other by passing on AIDS nor feed all of the children of the world. As I said before, no one is morally obligated to do the impossible. That'd be ridiculous.

>>Face the issue, for once, answer the question, or STFU, because thus far you've been saying nothing but bull$%#@!<<

Cry more. It's not my problem you're stupid.

>>What, can't take the heat?  You can dish out the insults all the time, but can't take them? <<

I've been insulted? I must have missed it.

>>Are you so angry now your head can't think straight anymore? <<

What are you like 9? Why would I be angry that you're stupid? I can understand that you're angry. I can only imagine it must be hard to come to terms with something so awful. People like to think themselves as equally endowed with sense as their fellow men, if other things are more randomly distributed, but you have to go through life knowing you lucked out. I'm sorry. That really does suck.

>>Free food and water for EVERYONE is possible<<

The stupidity never ends. Everything is "free" if you're a communist and the state owns everything. Saying that something is "free" doesn't mean anything the way you use it. It's ignorant and misleading.

>>an automated system that creates food and water at no financial cost. <<

Magical robots! I'm glad we got back to the point!!

>>Hell, I'm not even saying subsidized agriculture is the solution.<<

It's a big part of the problem. Get an education numb-nuts.

>>You just can't seem to get it that your CURRENT system is more socialist than what i am proposing, can you?<<

Give him some credit, he's never had to compare reality to magical robots before. It takes a lot of stretching of the imagination.

>>Still awaiting for one of you (or ANYBODY) to tell me what is so #@%ing great about the current monetary economic system.<<

Because I get whatever my labor is worth in goods and services? It's awesomely convenient? I enjoy running my own life? What'\s not GREAT/PERFECT about it?

>>How is the current system going to solve the VAST inequalities between rich and poor people in the WORLD.<<

"solve" the inequalities? Who cares? I live my life and enjoy a very comfortable quality of living. I don't care what Bill Gates does with his money. It's his money let him do whatever he wants with it. He isn't hurting me any. We have laws against that sort of thing.

>>THE WORLD - not your country. <<

Don't you know the first thing about globalization? It's what you're talking about but you aren't making any sense. There is no global authority so there's no global action. Most solutions that are doing any good are more global agreements often reached by private entities rather than governments and government agencies.

>>I couldn't give a #@$ about people your 'developed' countries.<<

Maybe that's why you're so far behind them. Pay attention you might learn something. Nobody owes you anything.

> xeno syndicated wrote:

> Still awaiting for one of you (or ANYBODY) to tell me what is so #@%ing great about the current monetary economic system.  How is the current system going to solve the VAST inequalities between rich and poor people in the WORLD.  THE WORLD - not your country.  I couldn't give a #@$ about people your 'developed' countries.

the monetary system is vastly more efficient then a resource based one. replacing the monetary system with a resource based one wouldnt solve anything.

Still awaiting for one of you (or ANYBODY) to tell me what is so #@%ing great about the current monetary economic system.  How is the current system going to solve the VAST inequalities between rich and poor people in the WORLD.  THE WORLD - not your country.  I couldn't give a #@$ about people your 'developed' countries.

Still waiting...

All three of you are trolls.  Get used to people like me coming on your forums calling for change, because I'm just the beginning.  Wait just a few years - just a few more for people from Bangladesh, Nigeria, Thailand, etc, to learn you idiots' language and argue with you on your level.  All three of you have absolutely no awareness of what's going on outside your own assholes.

You blind, idiots: 

You'll hear stuff like this:

YOU ARE MORE COMMUNIST THAN US!  DO WE HAVE HOSPITALS?  DO WE HAVE PUBLIC SCHOOLS?  WE DON'T EVEN HAVE FOOD, BECAUSE YOU RICH WESTERNERS BUY OURS FROM OUR WARLORDS.  ALL WE WANT IS THE TECHNOLOGY TO TAKE CARE OF OURSELVES. 

Do you know who the first people are to feel the effects of such financial crisises?  Starving orphans, you twits.  Because your bank CEOs and other dimwits running things for you idiots went and shot themselves in the foot, MILLIONS MORE CHILDREN will die this year than last.

Now, ANSWER MY @$%@ing question or get out of my thread:

What is so #@%ing great about the current monetary economic system for you?  Tell me?  Why is it such a nice system for you?  Now, do you think the MAJORITY OF THE HUMAN RACE shares your idea when 1/3 of them are malnourished.

And here you idiots sit unwilling to think outside your narrow-minded point of view to consider the benefits of EVERYONE having free food and water.  Why is that?

Holy-!#@%ing brainwashed fools!