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christmas is over.. streets in the gaza strip are plastered with dead bodies.
Reports say over 200 dead civilians.
Hamas leader calling for a new intifada.
So now i wonder.. why are 200 civilians dead and the hamas leader is still allive?
Israel has one of the most modern armies and probablly the best secret service.
I begin to think i have never seen such a brainless bunch of people.. on palestinian and israeli side.
roughly said a couple of years ago there was this period where Israel would assassinate a hamas leader, then hamas would announce a new one, then Israel would assassinate this one, then hamas would announce a new one, then Israel would kill this one; hamas stopped making the identity of those leaders public from then on
I would assume the core leadership of hamas is almost as untrackable as bin laden, relying on a select group of faithfulls, not using technology and moving around a lot... if Israel knew where to find them I'm sure they'd be dead
the figure of 200 civilian casualties is incorrect I believe... this news report (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7801657.stm) speaks of 250 casualties with up to a third of those being civilians.
while I deplore the loss of civilian life I do consider Israel's point valid that just because the rocket attacks on Israel weren't very deadly (only one killed), that doesn't negate the fact that they were intended to be so; if my general surrounding was shelled every day I would demand my government to take action and if the enemy happens to let civilians running around its facilities then that's too bad for them
Yeah thats the way East...
Herd a bunch of people into a small place, and when they fight back throw a few missiles at em and say "Hey, collateral damage. You shouldn't live near a police station...".
that is exactly right... it would of course be different if nobody was fighting back and israel would still be carrying out airstrikes like that
lobbing missiles into israel simply isn't a smart strategy to solve palestine's problems
there is no valid strategy to solve Palestine's problems. Not only are the Israelis militarily superior, they have the backing of some of the strongest nations in the world. its either give up or make Israel an Undesirable enough place to live that Isreal would be weakened enough to the point where they could take it back, while at the same time hurting their image internationally inorder to prevent international help to the Israelis.
You can tell that you and I understand what is going on there. But for the average palestinian who just lost his mother, he is thinking israel is committing genocide on them. This is what breeds the hatred and violence in that area. I believe the only way you can fix this problem is for Hamas to stop all violence and gradually the hatred will dissipate. Without hamas launching rockets, there will be no need for israel to strike back with much deadlier air strikes of its own.
Hamas can also use the millions of $$$ they get to build schools to educate their people rather than build rockets to breed more hatred. But there is a reason they won't do that. They believe that land is the islamic holy land and that it belongs to islam. They are motivated by religion so there is no way of talking sense into them.
"Hamas can also use the millions of $$$ they get to build schools to educate their people rather than build rockets to breed more hatred"
there are more important things in life then a proper education
being sarcastic? if not whats something they could build that would be better? I know they can build better infrastructure for food and fuel and stuff that would be another good investment. Anything better than rockets
> lobbing missiles into israel simply isn't a smart strategy to solve palestine's problems
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> there is no valid strategy to solve Palestine's problems. Not only are the Israelis militarily superior
Exactly. As far as i can tell, the Palestinians are just trying to get into the worldwide media. They WANT media coverage, because if everyone looks away they know they are absolutely screwed.
> Hamas can also use the millions of $$$ they get to build schools to educate their people rather than build rockets to breed more hatred
Rockets are cheap, and i doubt they build them. They would smuggle them in / buy them. Especially the cheapass RPG-7 things.
> They are motivated by religion so there is no way of talking sense into them.
Thats absurd. Separatist groups come from all backgrounds, religious or not.
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Exactly. As far as i can tell, the Palestinians are just trying to get into the worldwide media. They WANT media coverage, because if everyone looks away they know they are absolutely screwed."
well, they're also trying to make the Israelis miserable.
> Red_Rooster wrote:
> being sarcastic? if not whats something they could build that would be better? I know they can build better infrastructure for food and fuel and stuff that would be another good investment. Anything better than rockets
why you being such a rocket hater?
You would think that god would step in a solve the problems of the chosen people by now
> well, they're also trying to make the Israelis miserable.
Well, thats true i guess.
Seems to me like Israel is in their right this time... they've shown good faith by dismantling their colonies, yet again rocket attacks.
As long as the palestinians support Hamas there will be no peace.
as long as the Jews occupy the land they've taken by force, there will be no peace.
lol...
Both sides want too much...Their wishes overlap the opposite side. There will be no peace for some time yet.
"Seems to me like Israel is in their right this time... they've shown good faith by dismantling their colonies, yet again rocket attacks."
Ah yes, there were some colonies dismantled, but others enlarged at the same time. So much for showing "good faith". I'm not a fan of Hamas, but I can understand that the Palestinians are turning to them. The sad thing is that with every rocket that's launched onto a palestinian, 2 others join hamas. I start to think that Israel is just slowly genociding palestina rather than looking for a proper solution...
I have to agree to Jesus...
Maybe its what Hamas wanted.. to provoce Israel to do such actions.
Everytime bombs fall on the Gaza Strip and innocent (or not so innocent) get killed it boosts support for Hamas a lot.
The rocket attacks had been pure provocation and Israel again jumped onto it. For sure Israel has its right to defend itsself... but i strongly doubt that more missiles and tanks will solve the problem this time.. they tried quiet often.. it never worked.
And yes, Israel abandoned some colonies.. but at the same time built that wall that is built only on Palestinian soil and takes away land of them.
Israel decides if food and medcine go to gaza or not and often enough they used that as weapon. (We would fly our goods directly to gaza if the airport wouldnt be the first thing that frequentlly gets destroyed).
Hamas is a creation of decades of neglect of palestinian needs. It has to provoke if it wants to exist. Only a proper improvement for the palestinian people will destroy Hamas, not rockets, explosives or (soon) a complex groundforce attack.
How many illegal settelmends acording to there own law Israel has in the west bank? over 150...
and how many times did the promise to disband them?
in my eyes both sites want no peace, too many fanatic idiots on both sites.
idea: arm the palestineans to the teeth just as we have done with the israelies, then just film the whole thing and put it on pay per view. then once they've destroyed themselves...BAM, Desert Disney, using the proceeds from the pay per view to pay for it.
damn right, nothin beats minnie mouse dressed fully in black, and mickey with jerrycurls
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