76 (edited by Decimus 24-Mar-2008 16:44:49)

Re: Women Soldiers

so, the distinct fact that women did serve in frontline duty in wwii and performed just as well as men matters nothing in this discussion? the battlefront of modern day has become more un-woman-friendly? or what? wwii was just child's play?

> Hof/Fulda Gap. Border security patrols.  No friendlies at E. Germany/Czech border in mid-80s.

i think you got it the wrong way. it's "no enemies in west germany in mid-80's." you didn't serve in east germany, you were in west germany. unless you served in soviet forces. were you one of the fellows with a hammer and sickle on the fur cap, perhaps?

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apparently there isnt much that does matter smile
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i dont understand why you re complaining bw, as i feel yr like a decimus yrself (or really on yr way to being one, but then one from the 'other side')
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*too tired to put here what i had thought of

till the end of time..

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IN THE NAVY! da da da dada dada
IN THE NAVY! IN THE NAVY!

The best warriors of all time were gay(spartans)

So It's actually a compliment to the USA navy and USMC.
But yr arrrmy saks.

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"Females do not belong in line units."

BS. i knew women in the corps that could beat your ass with one had tied behind their backs.

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"
The best warriors of all time were gay(spartans)

So It's actually a compliment to the USA navy and USMC.
But yr arrrmy saks."

well, the common thought of sexual orientation is that its not something that is controled, but you are born gay or straight; so calling Spartans gay isnt accurate; alot of them most likely werent gay, but were in an environment where they were encouraged to act gay.

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War isnt running through trenches carrying bolt-action .22s anymore - behind a machine gun, steering wheel, laser painter, etc gender probably doesnt pose much of a barrier - just the ability to operate normally under stress.

What would be wrong though, would be for this daft political correctness movement to actively try to encourage *more* women (specifically) into the forces - people should join if THEY want to, not after theyve been fed a few exceptionally good experiences or possibilities for the sake of statistics.

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agreed smile

till the end of time..

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I personally would question a woman's ability to kill and hurt, as generally speaking women are more emotional, sensitive and aware of others' feelings than men are. Even amidst a adrenalin rush, a woman may double-take or question herself in a kill situation, and that split-second may make all the difference. Men are better at hardening themselves to be able to kill in n emotionally-detached way, women are mentally 'weaker' in that they more often let their emotions get in the way of their ability to fight effectively.

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"I personally would question a woman's ability to kill and hurt, as generally speaking women are more emotional, sensitive and aware of others' feelings than men are."

And generaly speaking women are capable of being unimaginably ruthless and cruel.


"Even amidst a adrenalin rush, a woman may double-take or question herself in a kill situation, and that split-second may make all the difference."

Womens brains work differently to mens. Men are single minded, able to put vast amounts of concentration onto one thing, women can do this with three things, AND they are much stronger in a psycological sense.


"Men are better at hardening themselves to be able to kill in n emotionally-detached way,"

Almost right: They are not emotionally detatched, at the end of the day it comes down to "If I don't kill them they'll kill me and my friends"


"women are mentally 'weaker' in that they more often let their emotions get in the way of their ability to fight effectively."

I have never known a woman let her emotions get in the way of anything ever, and I certainly wouldn't call them mentally weak.


To be honest you have described my mother, who is a clinical nutcase, perfectly. But that is all, I have never ever met a woman who I would call pschologically weak, if anything they have a stronger presence of mind than men.
Look at it this way: When was the last time you heard of a woman "going postal"?

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loz, it s all different in a combat situation smile you are there for a reason and you know things can happen at any time.
women who chose for fighting and have made it that far will have a certain mindset similar to their male colleagues, and if you must emphasize the sensitive side, then why not think of induced rage, or sense of duty, sense of responsibility, of protection, or just some lets get m sonofaguns (yea, women can have that aswell).

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> avogadro wrote:

> "
The best warriors of all time were gay(spartans)

So It's actually a compliment to the USA navy and USMC.
But yr arrrmy saks."

well, the common thought of sexual orientation is that its not something that is controled, but you are born gay or straight; so calling Spartans gay isnt accurate; alot of them most likely werent gay, but were in an environment where they were encouraged to act gay.

It was just a joke. I was referring to the worst movie of all time "meet the spartans"

"Whoever said the pen is mightier than the sword obviously never encountered
automatic weapons."-General Douglas MacArthur
"Cluster bombing from B-52s are very, very, accurate. The bombs are guaranteed
to always hit the ground."-USAF Ammo Troop

87 (edited by Gwynedd 20-Jun-2008 03:12:40)

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i cant speak for other countries, but here in america we have women that we refer to as "tom-boys" and a true tomboy will out run you, kill a dear and score 4 touchdowns on the family turkey day game! the fact of the matter is that there is a portion of soceity where women push themselves harder and ignore feminist emotion to prove they are just as tough as men.

though women lack testostrone, they make up for it in there will to preform which results in these so called "tom-boys".

we live in an era where women are realy becoming hardcore and some men are becoming [coffe cup]! i highly douby a women is going to join infantry is they are not emotionaly strong enough to handle it.  If a man does not want to kill or be killed he will join a safer role in the military and i thing women make those same desisions.

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women don't belong in line units b/c of  that special time of the month, that alone disqualifies them physically and hygienetically, and then there's the emotional/stress factor.

some of the units that were first deployed to iraq didn't see showers for 3 months. and dysentery and other diseases spring up when infantry can't keep their asses clean. unless line women were to take those birth control pills that make those long gaps. however, those type of limitations of women (simply as women) goes against the idea of constant duty readiness which is an ideal of infantry.

it's not sexist to recognize differences, it's common sense.

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women do take a shot to prolong thier PMS, its called a DEPO shot, its birth control that also renders the rag nil.  much like the MRE's will make a man not have to shit for a week, the DEPO shot will prevent the womans period for 2 months.  since women get the shot once a month, it is safe to say, we wont have a quad leader saying "We need tampons on the front line NOW!"

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"it's not sexist to recognize differences, it's common sense."

Amen

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"it's not sexist to recognize differences, it's common sense."

But it is stupid to simply assume that they have not thought about the differences and done something about them... like the DEPO injection.

"So, it's defeat for you, is it? Someday I must meet a similar fate..."

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Hah. Give a woman a knife and call her a fat runt*  and see what happens to the reluctance to kill

* not "runt"

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who assumed they haven't thought about differences; the thing is, certain impediments haven't been overcome yet. like depo - two months doesn't really cut it.

in boot camp they rip out wisdom teeth, even though they wouldn't be a problem for over two years? why? have to be absolutely ready to deploy for intervals of unknown length.

it's the nature of the beast. bw was dead on.

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I think women are more than capable of getting on with things despite the regular visits from "Aunt Irma", if they weren't then the world would be in a very different place.
Hell, Queen Victoria ruled over an empire for 70 years and the severity of her menstual cycle is well known, historically.

The fact that there are women serving thoughout the armed forces, including on the front line, proves the point all on it's own, in my personal opinion.

"So, it's defeat for you, is it? Someday I must meet a similar fate..."

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you're totally entired to your opinion.

i think we have different understandings of 'front line'

96 (edited by SuperNolio Brothers 27-Mar-2008 05:33:47)

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@ [Decimus]

No Friendlies @ E.Germany/Chech border.
Is it really needed to say I was on the West German side ??
or
That I wasnt on the Soviet/Warsaw pact side ?




I thought I made it perfectly clear on my end that Im sure there are females that could perform in front line/combat arms units.

Im speaking on the whole, how woman would fair.  Better than 30% dropped out of my basic/advanced infantry class.   

I was also talking about WHAT difference a female would bring to units under contact w/a female in the unit.
I gave my point of view.....and not one from experience of a female in the unit

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Re: Women Soldiers

Depo Shots give some women mental issues. It's not 100% safe. I can testify to this in court.


War is not fair, war is not a theory, war is not sexist, war is hell.

A womans body is not made for the infliction of chaos upon it by a front line position. A woman never could have made the march of like 500 miles under combat stress, under duress, under light rations, under dirt conditions where no shower is possible for a month, where sleep happens only sporadically and never longer than 4 hours. A woman is not made for that environment. Her menopause duration increases, as well as strength, under stress. In a dirty environment where she is losing more blood than normal, is fatigued to a fare thee well, and is unable to get proper stuff to keep herself clean... she will be a casualty. We need fighters, not casualties.

Any place where the lines are static, and rotations can happen, yeah I can see women fighting fairly well. I can see them as pilots, and even as rocket artillery.

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keep in mind their are many men that cant do with the combat stress either.

I dont smoke cigarettes because i like them.  I smoke because it hides the smell of marijuana thats seeping into the hallway atm.

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"A womans body is not made for the infliction of chaos upon it by a front line position."

Yay for technology, which counteracts this argument.

"A woman never could have made the march of like 500 miles under combat stress, under duress, under light rations, under dirt conditions where no shower is possible for a month, where sleep happens only sporadically and never longer than 4 hours. A woman is not made for that environment."

Man isn't made for that environment either.

"In a dirty environment where she is losing more blood than normal, is fatigued to a fare thee well, and is unable to get proper stuff to keep herself clean... she will be a casualty."

Didn't you hear? they have shots for that!

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Technology does not solve a period unless you remove the parts that cause it.

Technology does not help you stay clean when you crawl through mud.

Technology does not help you when your tank is damaged and you need to leave it behind.

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