> joe4444 wrote:

>...I'd like to know how you what I am doing to my body when you dont know me and have no clue about my eating habits....<

I know because you wrote it in this very forum not more that two posts back.
Remember this:

"Honestly, I'm trying to gain weight, which is a hard thing to do when you have a high metabolism and a low appetite.  But I'm trying to gain only muscle, if its fat to gain I mine as well stay as thin as a twig."

That is how I know.
[tree]wit.

> joe4444 wrote:

> the yell, what on earth are you talking about?  I'm not a moron... and you have no clue about me, clearly.

first: yes, you are. second: yes, he does.

has anyone mentioned already what exactly is soo bad about trans fats ?

fokker, that didnt tell you anything about me.  You still dont know what I eat and do everyday. 

theyell, butter does not have trans fats (it has lots of saturated fats, but not genetically produced trans fats).  Margarine has trans fats, but even with most of it, the trans fats have been eliminated due to public outrage.  I had suspicions of the food already, but not everyone knows every ingredient to every type of food they eat.  Mistakes happen, ok?  You dont have to be a jerk about them.

Nemeara, they raise your LDL Cholesterol (the bad cholesterol) and lower your HDL Cholesterol (commonly known as the "good" cholesterol, but actually they carry cholesterol in the body away from the liver to the feces for disposal).  Additionally, trans fats greatly increase the risk for coronary heart disease, due to their heavy level of oxidation. 

Basically, amongst the 4 types of fats, Trans fats (which are completely genetically produced, none found in nature except from some cow products) are by far the most unhealthy.

what are the 4 types of fat then ? i thought the (highly) saturated ones were the worst

fokker, your not trying to help me man.  I have done numerous nutritional research, and even took a college course (strickly as an elective, I didnt need it, I was a business major) on nutrition and did a lot of research in there too.  I know all of this stuff down to the core.  I know you're mom and dad probably told you that is the way to be healthy, but I know what I'm doing, ok?

nemeara, they are polyunsaturated, monounsaturated, saturated, and trans fats.  poly- and mono- are healthy fats.  Saturated fats raise just the LDL cholesterol, and trans fats raise the LDL and lower the HDL cholesterol.  Both Saturated and Trans fats increase the risk of coronary heart disease, but trans fats do so at a much higher rate.  Both of these fats clog your arteries too and give the heart a hard time trying to pump oxygen and do other activities.

theyell, well it sounded like you were being a jerk, but maybe I misread what you said, and if you didnt mean it that way I apologize.  I do get a lot of grief about everything, from everyone else here who cant tolerate me or the way I think about things, so that gets me a little edgy sometimes, if you know what I mean.

But anyway... yea I do know enough about how to take care of myself.  Can I ask you now, theyell, about your eating habits?

> joe4444 wrote:

> ..but I know what I'm doing, ok?

that'd be a first

theyell, I hear ya, thats a tough situation man.  How old are you?

I'm 23 and didnt start working out until about a year ago.  Its been 2 years since I've eaten a french fry and about as long since I've touched anything from McDonalds.  Before then, though, I touched more grease than a car mechanic.  And fruits were a foreign language.   Its not that easy to eat right and live right, especially when a situation prevents that from being possible.  But I do commend you for the work you have to do at night man, thats brutal.

yeah, sleeping and some regulation in time really does help it all about balances

> joe4444 wrote:

> fokker, your not trying to help me man.  I have done numerous nutritional research, and even took a college course (strickly as an elective, I didnt need it, I was a business major) on nutrition and did a lot of research in there too.  I know all of this stuff down to the core.  I know you're mom and dad probably told you that is the way to be healthy, but I know what I'm doing, ok?<

Oh really? What's your excercise regime? Do you use strength stamina or bulk building excercises? Are you paying particular attention to the muscle groups around your joints, particularly around the rotational joints, which is something even professional are known to neglect? Do you make sure to excercise for no more than 45 minutes in any one session? And to eat plenty of carbohyrate after each session?

I'm sorry if my manner offends you but I have a hard time believing that anyone who is serious about gaining muscle mass would say something like this: "But I'm trying to gain only muscle, if its fat to gain I mine as well stay as thin as a twig."
When you are gaining muscle mass you MUST eat more than you use for the sake of your health. Once you achieve a size you are happy with THEN you deal with the excess fat in a sensible way.

Now I'll say this one more time: I'm trying to help, so lose the attitude and I'll lose mine.