Re: USA Superpower?

"What defined superpowers during the cold war was the range of influence"

You hit the point. USA has a really reduce range of influence right know, Europe is supporting less and less USA decisions, Russia does not give a dam, USA can't touch in Asia without talking with China, Middle east is a mess and USA can't really do anything right now, South America coutries are almost rogue. The only place where USA as any influence is in Africa. Even that you have to share it with the rest of the world.

"1. It did not matter if the USSR was two decades behind the US in technology, the USSR's power remained far reaching and the US's ability to break that power was limited. It was only through Gorbachev that the balance of power was broken and the USSR collapsed."

They were really behind in rollings.

Re: USA Superpower?

"You hit the point. USA has a really reduce range of influence right know, Europe is supporting less and less USA decisions, Russia does not give a dam, USA can't touch in Asia without talking with China, Middle east is a mess and USA can't really do anything right now, South America coutries are almost rogue. The only place where USA as any influence is in Africa. Even that you have to share it with the rest of the world."

which decisions are those? europe is begging for American guidance in the economic recession  we're in. the US has huge influence in Asia. the middle east is a mess, and the country causing the mess in the US, its able to throw an entire region into chaos, pretty significant influence.... South American countries economically depend on the US.

jsut because every country doesnt serve the United States and doesnt do everything we say, doesnt mean we dont have influence. we have influence in every continent in the world...

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"jsut because every country doesnt serve the United States and doesnt do everything we say, doesnt mean we dont have influence. we have influence in every continent in the world..."

But thats not the definition of superpower, thats the definition of a greater power, which i did state USA was. Europe is begging for America guidance? Where the hell are european countries asking for guidance? 

"the middle east is a mess," Which shows USA lack of power.

"South American countries economically depend on the US. " http://www.imperialconflict.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=34801&p=1

29 (edited by avogadro 21-Nov-2008 01:48:47)

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what kind of messed up definition of superpower are you using? no country in the history of man has had the power you're insisting a superpower must have. the definition of superpower isnt the abillity to manipulate every government worldwide. its the ability to have influence worldwide, which the US does have. the abillity for the US to throw a monkeywrench in the middle east is a sign of their superpower status. the Soviet Union wasnt able to tame Afghanistan, and they were definitely a superpower...

europeans are asking for guidance in the current economic climate.

and lol at using imperialconflict as a source. thats worse then wikipedia, thats worse then Fox!

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I'm in no mood to read this threat in full - Why? Because this is the 3rd time someone has made this kinda post in the last month, so i will just post here what i posted in those threads.

Found on http://www.imperialconflict.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=37684&p=2 - Is as follows :
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The U.S. is the world's ONLY superpower, not to say it's gonna stay that way for long there are 3 potential superpowers rising, China, Russia, India, will they make it to that level? Who knows.

But as of now, yes the U.S. is hated, as was Rome, Russia, and England during there peaks of power, the top guy is always hated because they are under a microscope by the world, and for your reading pleasure.


This is why America currently IS the world's only superpower, and an empire ( But it might be about to fall we shall know in the coming years) :


"A superpower is a state with a leading position in the international system and the ability to influence events and its own interests and project power on a worldwide scale to protect those interests; it is traditionally considered to be one step higher than a great power"

The U.S.'s interests are influenced on a Global scale.


>>With the demise of the Soviet Union, the United States has become the one remaining superpower. Our GDP has surpassed 10.5 trillion dollars per year, dwarfing all other countries. Our annual military budget roughly equals all other countries in the world combined. We clearly have more power and influence than any nation in history. However, while this is probably good for us, is it good for the rest of the world? Having this much power creates a lot of responsibility. Is the world better off with us as the sole superpower or would the world be better off with multiple world powers such as was the case during the Cold War, when the U.S. and Soviet Union shared superpower status?<<

>
Top 10 most powerful nations

1) United States of America
2) People's Republic of China
3) Russian Federation
4) Republic of India
5) Islamic Republic of Pakistan
6) United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
7) Republic of France
8) Federal Republic of Germany
9) Republic of South Korea
10) Federative Republic of Brazil <

>>

Top Ten By Combat Power

United States
China
Israel
India
Russia
Korea, South
Korea, North
United Kingdom
Turkey
Pakistan

<<

>> Another scale rating <<
Country
United State
Germany
France
United Kingdom
Japan
Canada
Sweden
China
Norway
Netherlands<<

If the U.S. is not an empire - Then explain this distribution of combat power world wide.
>>
Current Ongoing Major USM conflicts:

Iraq - About 170,000 USM Personnel (2003 - 2007)
Afghanistan - About 19,500 USM Personnel (2001 - 2007)

AFRICA: *180 USM Personnel (2007)

ASIA: *75, 890 USM Personnel (2007)

AUSTRALASIA: *50 USM Personnel (2007)

EUROPE: * 93, 015 USM Personnel (2007)

Middle East: *286, 885 USM Personnel (2007)

NOTE: Please note that the "other" capable countries such as Britain, France, Germany, Japan and others have or had USM troops in their soil in very large numbers. The USM also has treaties that allow them to Re-Station in some countries were they were before.

United Kingdom - 10,967 USM Personnel (2007)

Germany - 63,958 USM Personnel (2007)

Italy - 11,693 USM Personnel (2007)

Japan - 48,844 USM Personnel (2007)

South Korea - 26,477 USM Personnel (2007)

Iraq - About 170,000 USM Personnel (2003 - 2007)

Afghanistan - About 19,500 USM Personnel (2001 - 2007)

France - 71, 530 on 1957 to about 70 USM Personnel (2007) <<



>>With the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, the United States stood tall -- militarily invincible, economically unrivalled, diplomatically uncontestable, and the dominating force on information channels worldwide. The next century was to be the true "American century," with the rest of the world molding itself in the image of the sole superpower.<<



Sources:
http://www.alternet.org/audits/60489/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superpower
http://www.balancedpolitics.org/sole_superpower.htm
http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-te

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31 (edited by lmperial 21-Nov-2008 02:08:40)

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Also.. as crazy as this sounds i agree with Avo.

The U.S. Economic Crisis turned into a Global Crisis, the U.S. is the only nation that can make the world feel what it feels, negative or positive.


EDIT : The U.S. Current Economic conditions, WHILE BAD are NOT bad enough to cause ANY type of diminishing damage to the U.S.'s Presence as a Super power, the Economy Today is as bad as it was in 1992, Considering the Current Wall Street, and Unemployment rates, no doubt people talked then, as some of you are now - This is an issue - Yes, but nothing that can't be fixed, our status as a Super Power IS FAR from at risk, please educate yourself.


*PS Your teachers are people with rather bias opinions on world affairs, i won't take their words as laws, makes you look to ignorant to do the research and create your own opinions.

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BS the U.S is helping with the current crisis. All they've been doing is borrowing money and sucking the savings of other countries to blow on AIG and crappy corporate debt. They'll probably go on to blow some more of that on dog companies like GM, Ford and Chrysler.

It's the Chinese and Japanese who have been steadily supporting the U.S treasury bond market with CASH and even now it's Chinese companies who are making deals all over the world injecting capital into hammered companies for equity, again with CASH. They've also just announced an almost $1 Trillion dollar stimulus package to spend on airports, railways and infrastructure, which will require resources, materials and skills from all over the world.

Furthermore, they've been pretty active with some of the local Australian iron ore juniors who were in danger of keeling over, providing cash to tide them over and continue working on their projects.

Even if the U.S survives this crisis with it's superpower tag intact, it certainly doesn't deserve it after it's poor performance as de facto world leader.

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> [...]we're happy to sit here and think we're the best while other countries are actually working their asses off (o sacrificing mass population) to get to where they need to be, that is, ahead of us." <

Quoted for universal truth: We have a problem with this attitude in the UK too.


> [...] the definition of superpower isnt the abillity to manipulate every government worldwide. its the ability to have influence worldwide, which the US does have. <

As does the UK, China, Japan, Russia... The point is that by your "messed up" definition half the members of the G20 are global superpowers.

"So, it's defeat for you, is it? Someday I must meet a similar fate..."

Re: USA Superpower?

the National Intelligence Council released their new studies about how the world will look in 2025. and they say the US will not be a superpower by them. it will be one, maybe the leading, but amongst others like china and india.

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>>the problem is complacency.  we're happy to sit here and think we're the best while other countries are actually working their asses off (or sacrificing mass population) to get to where they need to be, that is, ahead of us.<<

Which is why those of us who work hard are terrified of the damage Obama will do to our great / once great nation and the futures of our children.

[I wish I could obey forum rules]

Re: USA Superpower?

> they say the US will not be a superpower by them. it will be one, maybe the leading, but amongst others like china and india.

I doubt that.

A new arms race will wipe out most of the northern hemisphere...leaving Australia to invade New Zealand and to finally create an empire of Oceania.

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"the National Intelligence Council released their new studies about how the world will look in 2025. and they say the US will not be a superpower by them. it will be one, maybe the leading, but amongst others like china and india."

I think you mean not a hyperpower

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they basically say that the current financiel crisis is the beginning of the end of the ruling position of the $.
They say USA may still be the strongest single country.. but relatively seen they will loose political influence and maybe even military influence.
The System established after WW II will not be there anymore.

unfortunatlly i did not find the whole report.. only an artice about it yet. and thats on german.

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article5202497.ece

Re: USA Superpower?

"
> [...] the definition of superpower isnt the abillity to manipulate every government worldwide. its the ability to have influence worldwide, which the US does have. <

As does the UK, China, Japan, Russia... The point is that by your "messed up" definition half the members of the G20 are global superpowers."

yeah, i would probably say about half the members of the G20 are global superpowers, which makes sense. i mean its not like the Soviet Union was the first superpower. GB, France, Germany were superpowers before wwII, but they didnt have the influence across the globe that alot of countries have now with globalization. also, finally someone mentions the term that i couldnt think the name of, "hyperpower". the US is no longer a hyperpower, but it is easily a superpower.

Re: USA Superpower?

wow,

ok....let me put in my two cents from several posts....


to the comment about giving 25 Billion to GM, Ford, and Chrysler

1) chhysler isnt an American company anymore wink
2) unlike Wall Street, they are asking for a LOAN -- not a bailout
3) Countries around the world are pumping cash into THEIR auto manufacterers to help them out...so far the US is the only one NOT to that I know about.

Lets compare the auto industry to the airline industry (manufactueres)

1) Airbus gets government funds each year to help it compete against Boeing -- who does not get any cash from the US government (except via contracts)
2) Airbus is funded by not just one governement but gets funds from a few countries


in reply to the superpower question in the middle east....

1) yes, its a mess -- lack of proper planning, or should I say arm chair generaling from the white house rather than letting the military actually plan things.

-- subnote --- Vietnam/Iraq --- both mainly run from whitehouse.... look at the problems
               ---- Desert Storm --- planned by the pentagon

worlds of differnce between military might of a campaign and proper planning of a campaign.



about China's raising of minimum wage

1) China raising the minimum wage --- its about damn time, they have a billion pissed off people that work a 8 hr day for $2.  They see what can be bought/built with proper funding and they want the American dream as well.
2) The US has pulled back jobs from China, but not all that many. The tax breaks done by the current admin and past republican presidents will be running out.
3) With the cost of oill....it became a lot more costly to ship things from out of country to the US rather than paying higher wages here and cutting on shipping costs. The cost of shipping pays a major factor in things. When shipping costs triple in a very short time, you look for alternatives like producing locally.
4) look at china....most of the country still doesnt have reliable energy production. Even with their



Now lets look at the future viability of "super-power" status

As everything is cyclical...things repeat if you fail to learn from history --- or in the case of a lot of world leaders --- ignore history

1) If you look at the US's history --- we've been here before....a few times. Recession because of a lot of growth and then a growing economy expanding a little too fast (or a few financial people screwing up the system for the rest of us)

2) Look at the ability of the different countries and just how far they can improve things in the next 10-20 years if they put in the drive and focus of the government and the people.....for this you need leaders that can look long term and not until their next term and limit growth/rebuilding.

I dont have much time left on my break....so let me just put down a few things on these two topics for the US. Later we can get into Russia, China, India and anyone else



---- Dependance on foriegn oil. Period. This needs to stop. The US needs to get majorly involved in renewable energy. Im talking all aspects. Solar, Wind, Hydro (rivers and damn are pretty much tapped....but we have a lot of ocean currents and tidal we can get tapped into. Also putting micro generators on smaller streams and water ways), and Nuclear. Save the coal for later in life when oil isnt readily available. The US could then convert coal to oil and supply its own needs. Just getting the energy needs for powering all the homes from alternatives to oil would save Billions of dollars a year in oil purchases going over seas.


--- a new system of travel. Setting up a interstate travel ability based on high speed rail. If its all electric...oil isnt being burned. The airlines would be able to drop down to fewer airplanes/flights and save on operation expenses (they should get with joint ventures with other companies or risk dying as a company).


---- They started it with a small % of interstates for each state to get federal funding.....but stop patching instertates and highways and constructing them with cheap asphault and build all major interstates from concrete (as in around 2-3 feet thick so that its only required to grind off the top few millimeters to create a "new" road....easily done at night so traffic isnt impeded). A few states do this more than others....they are saving long term. It costs a lot initially...but when you dont have to repave a highway every 3-4 years...it pays off quickly.

----Creating tax breaks over a 10 year process to get individuals to purchase solar panels for their homes (major advancement in this area in the past 2 years as federal funding died, but capital investors invested huge amounts of cash as oil jumped up) and small wind turbines that can mount to the side of a home and are practically noiseless. This will save homeowners money in the long run and will allow them to use cash for other things --- paying off debt, investing in other areas of home improvements, or investing for future spending....not to mention spending on frivioulous things which turns the economy wheel further.

--- Having the US focus on the US internally for just 2-3 years rather than giving away hundreds of billions to other countries to survive on would greatly improve the US's ability for the future.



Finally for the doomsayers out there.....The last time the US was in a depression...we got "a new deal"... after a few years, look how far the US improved internally and externally in that time frame. Notice how it set the US up to save the Europeans ass twice over a 50 year period. We just need to get a president, cabinet, and legislatures that want to see America thrive and not their own carreers, pocketbooks or those of their cronies and the US will be right back up that pedistal that people like to throw rocks at.

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boeing also gets a lot of subsidies from the US government, they are merely packaged differently

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"As does the UK, China, Japan, Russia... The point is that by your "messed up" definition half the members of the G20 are global superpowers."" No they are great powers much like USA.

44 (edited by Gladiator 24-Nov-2008 20:42:05)

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i haven't followed the thread but
i just wanna say

the US is still a superpower, it's stupid to think otherwise

but comparatively it is a weakening superpower, not saying that America is weaker than it was before, but that the situation currently, taking into consideration other countries suggests that America doesn't have as much power over things as it did a few years ago. America is still getting stronger and is strong at almost every front, but other countries are getting stronger faster...

but they are all still miles behind, so nothing to worry about in our generation

but i quite frankly don't see America as being a superpower in lets say my children or grandchildren generations

Re: USA Superpower?

America's potential military and economic power must be measured against its POLITICAL weakness, growing pacificism and socialist-ecological puritanism that has already limited growth of infrastructure below sustainability

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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">> Another scale rating <<
Country
United State
Germany
France
United Kingdom
Japan
Canada
Sweden
China
Norway
Netherlands<<"


How did NL get into that list? Based on what I mean.

Je maintiendrai

47 (edited by avogadro 24-Nov-2008 21:52:53)

Re: USA Superpower?

Super Power was first used to describe the US, Soviet Union, and Great Britain in 1944. Does the US now have more influence over the entire world now then it did in 1944? i would definitely say so.

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> Freelancer wrote:

> "As does the UK, China, Japan, Russia... The point is that by your "messed up" definition half the members of the G20 are global superpowers."" No they are great powers much like USA.


My messed up definition? These are EXPERTS, and people who make allot more money, and have much bigger degrees then you or me, this isn't my definition of a Superpower, this is the commonly accepted definition of such...


I don't care what Uk China or Japans feels about anything Globally, that means their influence is nothing to me.. but UK China and Japan cares about how the U.S. Feels about issues, thus is the difference...

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Re: USA Superpower?

Even Australia has more influence over then world then it did in 1944 tongue. The increase of influence might have changed, but so has the scale of the globalisation.

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more influence over the world then the US did in 1944?