ok, here is what is up

Torqez is correct, i was unsure of the knight due to a few issues of the past night. those have been fully cleared up.

My vote stands, and for the same reasons as before.
feel free to look at my other posts if you are unsure

Torqez is mob.

"You people are fools... SD you just made yourself look like mob by that vote, and i was believing you could be a townie. I told you all Torqez was investigated and he was and he was found to be mob.... i am telling you this again myself to continue to protect the knight.... i am expendable, he is not.

.... you might try listening in future"

"SD, you sir are either mob or a complete and utter fool."

Please can we have less of the insults? Why am I a fool and in what way did I just make myself look like mob? Because I voted to save Torqez?

Well, I voted to save Torqez because I was convinced that he is innocent. I am not convinced either way anymore but look at it how I have been.

Torqez has been in contact with me, informing me of results of investigations. The results of investigations that Torqez reported to me ended up being accurate, both before the switch of role and after the switch for Eltara. Therefore, I trusted Torqez. Does it seem unreasonable or foolish so far?

Now all of a sudden, people who have had no contact with me so far, have given me no such evidence or a reason to trust them are telling me Torqez, the one person I have trusted, is mob. Why should I listen to you guys? How do I know that you are genuine?

Don't call me foolish when you have made no effort to contact me, no effort to convince me of your roles and given me no evidence to trust you.

And don't expect me to follow your lead when you insult me. Go die in a fire

I'm finding both stories equally easy to believe here, but at the risk of remaining looking foolish I am going to stick with believing Torqez for now. I suspect I am going to be his only supporter here but screw it, I am not afraid to stick to my guns. If I am shown to be wrong when he is lynched, which is more than likely then fair enough, I will be wrong. The reasons I am sticking with trusting Torqez is that if he was mob I can think of a very plausible lie he could have told here which could have got him out of this predicament at least for another day and taken another townie with him. It may not help me or him to stay vague but I'm going to anyway.

The mob's attempted kills of undeath are obviously pretty convincing evidence that he is telling the truth or at least believes that he is telling the truth but he has just irritated me beyond belief in irc.

I tihnk it is a futile vote but I'm going to say screw it, I'm going to go with Torqez's vote and vote for Lynns. If anything just to annoy Undeath. This lynch will definitely show me the way of who to listen to because at the moment I don't have a clue and I'm happy to stick up for the underdog and not for people who I feel have treated me with a lack of respect and insulted my intelligence.

bah, im done. upon eltara's request ill be the better man.

if you are town and want to win get in touch with me tomorrow.

cheers

my vote is for Torqez, he is an investigated mobster.

i thought i explained everything to you SD calmly and honestly. please don't have me killed. i don't think you are a traitor, i know torqez is.

king whoever you are please wake up to this too.

I have spoken up for the town to protect the knight and what i have said has been right more than wrong. where we have investigated and found a mobster we have had them killed (or tried in the case of torqez) where we have accidentally lynched a townie its been because our investigation has come up with a townie and we didn't have a definite target.

currently we have torqez as a definite target, please believe me just this once more. it will show you we are right. if we are wrong i will give myself up willingly tomorrow.

*starts humming "kyle's mom is a big fat _ " from south park*

I came back online to apologise to Undeath. My last post, which I have now deleted was a step too far. It was out of character for me to resort to silly insults and I am annoyed at myself for rising to the bait. I think this is a classic case of misinterpretation and misunderstanding when communicating by text that can escalate, just like I was saying when the last mafia game ended in arguments.

Lynns, you did explain calmly and honestly to me, but all the while I was getting more and more irritated with Undeath. Whether justifiably or not does not really matter anymore, I have apologised, let's forget about it. However, the two of you I tihnk are still failing to grasp that I have reasons to trust you and I have reasons to trust Torqez and you have not necessarily shown me why my reasons to trust you are stronger than my reasons to trust Torqez, and if you have, then I was blinded my sheer irritation.

Having calmed down I'm going to change my vote. On the basis that the mob have twice tried to kill Undeath I am going to switch my vote to Torqez

I am still not convinced who to trust, but I guess I will find out tomorrow.

thanks SD, you won't regret that change i promise

Wow, lay it on thick =/

Anyway, SD...all I can do is say is to go with you initial gut instinct.  It hasn't failed you before, and it wont fail you now.  I wont say anymore, because the more I push, the more it'll make me look guilty.  And I wont stoop to Lynns' level and beg ppl in pms on chat (Yes Lynns, i've seen the logs).

Voting me off, will open a huge door for mob to win (again, *sigh*).

I stake my name on Lynns being mob.

Im going to put an alternat plan of action out there......

one party thinks Torqez has been turned

one party thinks the knight could have been turned

why focus on this two horse race when we know their are other traitors out there? Lets work together and take out the known traitors instead of trying to kill off possible townies and THEN hunt down the seduced townie???

The town can only afford to lose one more townie if they hope to win. We need this to be the "right" decision.

Im basing this on my assumption (based on voting record) that chees and gladiator are traitors. as they both have voted for lynns --- and there "could" be some truth to things....

I vote Torqez -- sorry buddy, but it was a coin toss and it came up heads.