Topic: Women Soldiers
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No.
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Women shouldn't fight. Fighting is for men.
that scene from the Kingdom, where jennifer garner guns down the stupid kid who kills the good saudi soldier,then runs over and tries to resuscitate him, and i think she says "i'm sorry."
totally unreal and hollywood and liberal cultural suicidalism imo
vs. medal of honor citation some lance corporal out in ramadi or haditha throws his humvee into the battle zone to screen wounded marines, then sprinting across gunfire hefting wounded marines in the back of his humvee, k-bars the wounded hajji who was struggling to sight in with his ak...
In Panama,....a Ranger Sgt. gunned down 2 or 3 Tangos. Then takes out a tower machine gun of some type. He goes back to the few he gunned down, and save one of them w/ a sucking chest wound. Stops the bleeding, secures his breathing, calls in a medevac.
He is awarded the Silver Star.
I found the seen w/J Garner VERY real.....To real.
It brought me back actually.........
I was there when the pilot who was captured was returned to our unit, the 101st Airborne. A surreal moment to be sure. Those two soldiers, the rangers, who earned those Medals of Honor that day... They showed how effective we are, and our humanity in one single go. Always save your own first, never let anyone get captured if you can help it (Since the enemy has no morals), and fight like a pissed off Angel... But our humanity is so much we will, when the fighting is over, if the enemy is not fond of suicide bombs, try to save the very men we have shot up. Every US Soldier I ever knew has so high of personal standards as to belittle the most common person.
Oh there are some bad eggs, nothing is perfect.. But I was, and always will be proud to have served with the men (and women) I had served with.
well, that was an enormous load of bullshit. well done, flint! you sound exactly like former minister al-sahhaf.
I have no problem with female soldiers. If you're willing to put your life on the line for something you believe in all the power to you. I don't care if you're male, female, black, white, straight, gay, whatever, if when it comes down to it you're willing to fight go right ahead.
As long as women can complete the same physical excercises that men can. No śpecial treatment because war won't give any.
agreed.
however, i am intrigued to hear more people express their opinions about gay male soldiers. i expect close-mindedness and opinions tracing their origin back to 1500 AD ![]()
Worked for the Spartans didn't it Decimus?
But it depends on what you define gay as i guess...
Females do not belong in line units.
But, on the modern battle field, fought in such depth, its hard to keep females out of close combat.
In some of the shit I was in, Last thing I would want is a female in the unit that would have us all "keeping an eye" on little sister, or daughter.
Its human nature for the men to pay special attention to the female.
Its a distraction that in the heat of the moment, can be detrimental to the mission, action, or re-action in an engagement.
> Black_Wing wrote:
> Females do not belong in line units.
But, on the modern battle field, fought in such depth, its hard to keep females out of close combat.
In some of the shit I was in, Last thing I would want is a female in the unit that would have us all "keeping an eye" on little sister, or daughter.
Its human nature for the men to pay special attention to the female.
Its a distraction that in the heat of the moment, can be detrimental to the mission, action, or re-action in an engagement.<
If that is true then I cannot help but wonder in what other ways the training was inadequate if you can be distracted by boobies when there are bullets whizzing past your head.
"If that is true then I cannot help but wonder in what other ways the training was inadequate if you can be distracted by boobies when there are bullets whizzing past your head."
That's not what he said. If you read it closely, he meant that because there would be a female in the unit, you would be distracted in playing big brother or father, protecting your little sister or daughter from the bad people and making sure no harm comes to her.
However you put it the question, and possibly conclusion, it leads to remains the same:
If you can be distracted from performing your duty properly by something as simple as the internal/external position of a persons genitals then you must question wether your training has failed you in other ways too. [EDIT]> Or if it is the training at fault at all, maybe the person making the idiot decisions because the latest member of the unit happens to have their genitals on the inside is making these idiot decisions because they are, quite simply, a bad soldier.
But my point of view may be biased as I have grown up with a Military that doesn't discharge people based on their sexuality, for example; The RAF has a Transsexual fighter pilot
its not about being distracted by them; its about the relationship that forms between members of the same unit, and the relationship formed between 2 males being different then the relationship formed between a guy and girl.
at least thats what im fairly sure he's saying.
as for my view, i dont pretend to know enough about combat to know how the gender role makes a difference, and i dont think most people do. if you ask people with military experience, i think you need to take it for what it is and not treat is like a sexist remark.
"he meant that because there would be a female in the unit, you would be distracted in playing big brother or father, protecting your little sister or daughter from the bad people and making sure no harm comes to her."
In which case you would be a terrible soldier. Now in any unit you spend a good deal of time with you are going to develope relationships with people and maybe become friends. Obviously if you are fighting beside your friends you are going to want to protect them, but if someone can instantly earn priority from you simply because of their gender you are not only a terrible soldier but a failure of a human being. In a military unit chances are good everyone has gone through the same training as you and is just as capable of looking after themselves, if you can't get that through your head don't join the military.
i ve heard of females scaring their male teammates, lol, i think if there would be a problem, then it would be that she felt she had to babysit the lot xD
on a serious note though, doenst it depend on the type of conflict/fighting? and when everyone is given a task, you count on them being executed properly right? becoz everyone there is able to do their job.
but there s also this instinct part, and the part on male and female reasoning differing, i would thing a bing chunk of that has been guided into patterns by training.
doesnt anyone have some numbers or investigation stuff
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how about on the israeli army for instance?
men and women are way more different then the location of their sex organs. and in combat its not about everyone doing their own things, its about being a cohesive group. if an all male group can become more cohesive then a mix, it could have nothing to do with men thinking any different of a woman.
i know some women that can shoot an M4 better than most men. the fact of the matter is that in this day in age, we need as manner "skilled" fighters as we can get, regardless of gender!
I was in combat. I was in a line unit. We didnt have females in the unit.
I didnt have females in any of the units I served in.
I DID have female in my BNCOC and ANCOC courses.
We did have these females in the class room for many weeks, prior to going into the field for training.
Granted, some of these females were up to the task. Most were not.
Who was on the rag, who could not handle the ruck, who could not endure the elements....etc.
Now, I will say this. I am no sexist.
I will also say, that Im sure there are females that can handle the job.
What you all miss is the point that, in the heat of battle, all bets are off.
I just know that as a man, as a father, I would probably have an eye out for the female in the unit.
There is only one comparison....
There is always one that is the weakest link in the unit.
In training you push that individual. You challenge them, you make them as tough as you can.
In battle, you protect, and cover that individual. You make sure that person is safe, and you keep an eye on them.
You are only as strong as your weakest link, and there are times when you have to carry a person along.
It may be a twisted ankle, or the flu. It may be your weakest link.
It COULD be that female in the unit. Not that they are the weakest....but...
That they are your little sister, or daughter, that you would hate to see zipped up in a bag, and put on that final ride home.
And you cannot apply that to your best friend?
Your Son?
The new guy who isn't even old enough to drink yet?
Sex sounds like an excuse to be bad soldier to me, especially as to get into a position like that she would have had to work even harder than any man due to most of them being sexist idiots, it seems.
Sorry, but I simply cannot understand your point of view.
okay. i have served in iraq and i know some MEN that i will not trust next to me with a rifle! and i know some women that i would trust my life with!
gender does not matter, on the battlefield, its the honor that matters!
NMCB74 hooooraaaahh!!!!!
> Ehawk wrote:
> okay. i have served in iraq and i know some MEN that i will not trust next to me with a rifle! and i know some women that i would trust my life with!
gender does not matter, on the battlefield, its the honor that matters!
NMCB74 hooooraaaahh!!!!!<
And on that note I think we can end the thread.
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