Topic: USA Superpower?

So had my teacher brought up some interesting points in class today.

first. the reason america won the cold war was because russian leader realized your technology was far superior to theirs in regards to space and smart weapons. he realized he was about a decade behind and had no chance in keeping up with the arms race. partly due to them not allowing people to use technology like fax machines.

second. in the clinton era he put china as a "friendly nation" allowing free trade and such. You also gave china all your technology to improve on. at the time they were probably 2 decades behind on technology now it would be hard to say if america is even ahead.

third. who has money now? china, japan and the saudis. you basically gave china all this capital and made everyone else go into economic crisis

my thoughts. good thing you have Obama, i use to think it was bad but this time you guys need friends and support.

2 (edited by Justinian I 20-Nov-2008 03:24:07)

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Your teacher's retarded.

1. It did not matter if the USSR was two decades behind the US in technology, the USSR's power remained far reaching and the US's ability to break that power was limited. It was only through Gorbachev that the balance of power was broken and the USSR collapsed.
2. China's technology isn't even close to the US'. Their tech is pathetic. Technologically, the US is also advancing. Hint, the US is responsible for 50% of the world's military spending.
3. While the US may borrow from China, China's economy is still insignificant to the US economy. No economy comes close to the mammoth size of the US economy, unless you consider the European Union as a country.

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another point, china has cheap labour which your country and others strive from. what is your country going to do get out of your crisis? China is already starting to increase wages and have seen large n.american countries pull out so they can go elsewhere, which shows they already have a better financial stability.

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> flipmode wrote:

> valid point.

my rebuttle=your retarted>>

Whatever. There was no point in me giving a rebuttal, but I decided to be nice and educate you with some basic points.

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Where did i say your retarted?

see i can delete posts to you moron

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justinian wrote

2. China's technology isn't even close to the US'. Their tech is pathetic. Technologically, the US is also advancing. Hint, the US is responsible for 50% of the world's military spending.

kind of like when USA was producing their own military weapons in china because it was cheaper and got caught with it. ya thats really smart for national security eh?

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why would they prop us up just because of Obama?

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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"kind of like when USA was producing their own military weapons in china because it was cheaper and got caught with it. ya thats really smart for national security eh?"

what does that have to do with anything?

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literally everything.

10 (edited by avogadro 20-Nov-2008 04:24:00)

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i dont think anyone here is denying that China has extremly cheap labour which makes it so they are a good choice some of the time when you want something built. but thats not what defines a superpower... and it doesnt make the US not a superpower...

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"why would they prop us up just because of Obama?"

They won't
Made no difference between Obama or McSame

China is only interested in saving its own skin, and for now they believe keeping the US rolling along is their best option.
When they correct their over production problem they will reduce their holding of US notes and sink the dollar

12 (edited by avogadro 20-Nov-2008 04:28:43)

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the US is a superpower, because during this world economic crisis, the leaders of the top countries look to the US and go to Washington. the US is a superpower because it has by far the most powerful millitary in the world. the US is a superpower because it has more influence in the world then any other country. None of this can really be disputed...

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Huh?

USSR collapsed due to corruption and economical failure.
Poor management, ignorant attitudes, isolation to the rest of the world, and refusal to adapt. Which is the opposite of modern China, fwiw tongue.

>China's economy is still insignificant to the US economy

Aren't they a 3rd world country? tongue.

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Linda: It's a 't'. It goes "tuh".
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14 (edited by avogadro 20-Nov-2008 04:30:56)

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"Aren't they a 3rd world country? icon39"

you talking about China or the US? tongue

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lol, China tongue

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Linda: It's a 't'. It goes "tuh".
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the topic being debated isn't even is USA a superpower i just put that in the heading.

avogadro wrote

because during this world economic crisis, the leaders of the top countries look to the US and go to Washington.

now more along my topic. yes they did, and is that because US was the major player in this economic crisis. Was my point on clinton making china a "friendly nation" with US part of it. making them able to invest in their productions, moving your jobs elsewhere. was my point on america pulling out companies in china because of increased wages, going to places like saipan a commonwealth where they take chinese workers and payed under a dollar have any reason for that.

just saying times have shifted your economic basis and there will be trying times ahead for North america and many other western nations. Was GM and Ford trying to be bailed out not a sign? Is your auto industry not an important factor in your success.

this wasn't a one sided argument and the reason why i brought up obama was because he probably has the toughest seat since lincoln.

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"he topic being debated isn't even is USA a superpower i just put that in the heading. "

then, please tell me the topic! you're making "points" without setting a topic. we have no idea what you're trying to prove with your "points"

as for the auto-industry. the auto-industry's significance to our success is being debated currently. thats why they havent gotten any money yet; republicans arent convinced we're better off with the big three. its not like 25 billion is that big a deal for the US.

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After reading the first post and the following posts, I'm convinced no one actually knows what they're debating.

Flipmode, please in one clear sentance, state what your arguing for or are trying to prove. That might advance this thread past the directionless points.

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TOPIC ALERT! TOPIC ALERT! TOPIC ALERT! TOPIC ALERT! TOPIC ALERT! TOPIC ALERT! TOPIC ALERT!

Is the USA still a superpower? Good Question.

[Personal Opinion]
Technologically speaking, no, simply because there are so many advancements coming from so many other countries, much of which is equal to if not superior to what America has, for example Anti-Satellite Lazers, Invisibility Cloak, A way to make diamonds, a tank that doesn't continuously fart a stream of hot gases out of its arse.

Economically speaking? No, the USA is an economic equal at best, at worst they are inferior to China, currently speaking of course.
[/Personal Opinion]

America may be the most powerful nation at the moment, but is it super-powerful?

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America is superpowerful. It is superpowerful because there is only one country on earth that can attack any place at any time with any given weapon. Other countries just dont have the strong enough navy and a strong enough intelligence system (space). The EU is rising and has technology close to what the US has but they dont have the numbers and the organization. If there was a war not all the countries in EU would band together to fight. But it is likely that the US will come to the rescue of the EU simply because they are another "democracy" like the US.

ALso it is ridiculous to think china's economy is stronger than the US. the US depends on china and china depends on the US. Why do you think China is stil holding on to all those dollars? CHINA DOESNT WANT TO SINK THE DOLLAR. Imagine how life would get worse for all the chinese factory workers who overnight lose their jobs. Can you say revolt?

My point: technology isnt everything, it is technology coupled with size that makes a superpower these days. The economis are so interlocked that this does not even matter.

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"It is superpowerful because there is only one country on earth that can attack any place at any time with any given weapon."

Lol USA is no longer a superpower since many coutries cant careless what USA wishes to do or not to do. And being able to attack any place at any time isn't the some thing as to attack everyone one they would like to, which USA can't.

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"Lol USA is no longer a superpower" - are you serious? that gave me a good laugh, and for the rest of your post you clearly are just showing your a USA hater with no good reasons .... *sighs* why doesnt so many people hate on USA?

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hey morons.  china is a superpower: largest gdp growth, a submarine that popped up right in the middle of our pacific fleet without us noticing... oh yeah, totally behind in tech.  Russia didnt "lose" the cold war, nobody won it.  its a misnomer to even call it a war, it was a bunch of sabre rattling.  oh, and the city with the most millionaires in the world.... yeah, its Moscow.  good lord i hate when people try to make points and know jack shit.  your professor's not a moron, he's just not giving you all the facts, lots of professors do that, its their way.

now is the US a superpower?  sure, amazing weaponry and tech.  but our economy is in the dumps and we're in the process of switching presidents so its kind of chaotic at the moment.  the problem is complacency.  we're happy to sit here and think we're the best while other countries are actually working their asses off (or sacrificing mass population) to get to where they need to be, that is, ahead of us.

> Justinian I wrote:
> Ouro,
Even though you were the first one to arrive at the scene who clearly pwned Einstein and showed how biased he is, you are an outright arsehole.

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The US is still a superpower.  What defined superpowers during the cold war was the range of influence.  One could say that the USSR was an industrially developing nation, but could not deny that sheer influence it held over Eastern Europe and Asia as a result of it's military and political power.  The same goes for the US (minus the developing part) - it had built strong allies with nations in Western Europe, Asia, and Latin America.

25 (edited by [RPA] Eltieformod 20-Nov-2008 18:37:13)

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Let's also not forget that Germany alone (82 million citizens) has a Nominal GDP larger than China (1.3 billion citizens)

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