You referred to more socialistic policies as contributing to the "greater good" of our people.

>> You claim that socializing medicine will help our healthcare.

I never said that.<<

Though you did say:
>>The greater good = ...world-leading medical support<<

So you obviously have taken back your statement that contributing to the greater good means world-leading medical support. Which is good, because your previous claim was wrong. Too bad you didn't explain what you MEANT to say before, since what you meant to say before was a lie. I guess asking for an explanation is too much when the explanation would be "I was wrong, I lied" and you'd sooner lie to deny it than have a discussion. And I'm the "[w00f!]" Beats being a lying dimwhit, I guess.

>>but its absurd to believe that will change when you nationalize your healthcare.<<

It's absurd to believe that a fundamental change to funding will change it? Our free-market funding and the great wealth of our nation is where these record funds, record breakthroughs, and record (we still hold it) healthcare comes from. It's absurd to claim that changing our WORLD-LEADING system WON'T change it.

>>Who would be nr.1 then? can u answer?<<

Couldn't say. I don't follow the numbers as to who is our distant 2nd right now. The point is they'll catch up; we'll slow down.

>>it will help your healthcare in the way that it will make your healthcare available to more of your people. that is what it is about.<<

I was raised in a lower middle-class family. My parents' income was low enough to get me reduced lunch in school. 7 years ago I had more than 1 million dollars of medical work done to save my life. It was all covered under my private healthcare (and no one knew it was coming). NO other nation in the world could have provided this emergency care. If that level of care was available to me, it can't be that out of reach. You claim that giving more care to welfare bums is "help" to our free market system. My simple statement is that I'd be dead under your preferred system. You'd rather see more unemployed bums get free care and pay with my life. With all due respect, [w00f!] you. You're ignorant trash.

>>What is worth, the best healtcare system in the world if only lil % can use it?<<

I couldn't tell you. I was well under the 50% mark when I used it to its fullest extent and it saved my ass like no other nation's in the world could have. Rhetoric is useless because you're denying all the facts when you make your "points." You're making shit up, and it's not worth anything.

>>bw.. how comes in most european countries the average life expection is a few years higher then in the US?<<

Because you're so brainwashed you see your lost freedoms as benefits. That's why you make vague statements and never include any basis for your statistics to show where they come from. In your country my life expectency ended more than a half decade ago. 100% chance of death. Here I'm alive, fully healthy, and with access to care that gives me a greater life expectency than I would have in your country. Cite more vague statistics. That we have the freedom to kill ourselves and be unhealthy isn't hurting me any. I make good choices and benefit from them.

Why would you say that care wouldnt be available in say, Europe? We use the same research you do and the specialised hospitals are top notch.

Besides, pretty arrogant to assume your life would be worth more than "welfare bums" (and multiple ones seeing how aparantly it cost 1 million dollars! well ofcourse that would be less here since health care prices aren't driven up by insanely high insurance against claims, but still that's alot. You can perform alot of life saving stuff on the people you obviously see as some lesser breed who don't deserve to get your level of health care)

>>that would be less here since health care prices aren't driven up by insanely high insurance against claims<<

It's be $0. You wouldn't be able to provide it, and I'd be dead. It'd be a net-loss, because I pay a lot in taxes every year and will continue to, but it's important you not consider that in your socialized healthcare that gives poor care.

>>Why would you say that care wouldnt be available in say, Europe? We use the same research you do and the specialised hospitals are top notch.<<

You don't have the technology. You don't have all of the procedures. There's a reason people come to the USA for medical care and they don't come to your country. And it's not for the food, the women, or the scenery.

"You don't have all of the procedures. There's a reason people come to the USA for medical care and they don't come to your country. And it's not for the food, the women, or the scenery."

Well, its becose if you have the doe you get pushed to the front of the line with surgery, here you might have to wait a little bit.

would be interesting to know for what illness we don't have the technology over here
just because i did cost 1 mil doesn't mean that noone would pay for it over here.

btw the average life expectatione in germany is higher as in the us...
and we spend less money on healthcare per capita as in the us
still we have universal healthcare

lol kemp, dont know what kind of research or operation you had, but the same kind of diagnostic material and the same kind of surgery is done here. You see medical research gets published worldwide so it's not like there's all kinds of new technology that we don't have here.

Also, when you look at the numbers, health care is actually better in most european countries than in the US

>>"Roe v. Wade is the landmark Supreme Court ruling by an activist legislative ruling that TOTALLY bypassed the way laws are written in the US."

BW, please back up your comment with real examples. And I KNOW you won't use wikipedia <<

What do you want, state law?  150 years of medical regulation by STATE governments?  Please cite some examples of the federal courts upholding a federal guarantee of a medical procedure over state authority over medical practices, I know of like, 3 examples, birth control and chiropractic care and euthanasia, and 2 of those are post-Roe.

>>"I simply don't believe he has any socialist agenda because his past moves show he will adapt to anything that will work in the end, propelling him as the "right man" in the headlines. You've been one to point out his broken pledge to use public funding. That's just an example of this. I see him as wanting (badly) to look as a unifying figure and be able to govern by himself, not as the puppet of a democrat party. To do this, he will need to reach out (or lip-sync convincingly) to the other half of the US.<<

Golk, it seems to me, if you insist that Obama is gonna spend 4 years "lip-syncing convincingly" that he is a centrist, then you're proving BW's case that Obama is BS

> You referred to more socialistic policies as contributing to the "greater good" of our people.

I referred to the re-organisation of *current funds* in such a way that (A) The hospital system is privatized and (B) *all* people receive a *better* level of health care.

Of course its for the greater good, but thats not 'socialised medicine' or whatever you said.

>>Yell, spouting your opinion is not the same as backing up a statement. And if you argument is "states rights," then I'd say your living in the nineteenth century. That BS is for rednecks that aren't happy with the "Yankee" gubmint telling them what to do.<<

What's the name and address of the federal regulatory agency that oversees the medical practice?
OH RIGHT
THERE ISN'T ONE

they oversee drugs and prosthetics but not medical care...

That's not opinion, that's fact.  Historical fact.  States oversee medical practices.  State Medical boards give licenses.   You practice in TN, you may or may not be allowed to practice in NY or CA.  Lose your license in TX and you might get one in OH.

Your disgust with that on ideological grounds, THAT'S opinion.

nooooo I wanna argue some more

@shipman

"Okay, new argument...cats and dogs are EXACTLY the same"

Careful there, you're being marxist and you're not supporting the troops.

Cats ALWAYS fall on their feet so they're technically NOT exactly the same as dogs, who fall very stupidly. Proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agBflQTBRvM

The reason why buttered toast dropps like that is related to the rotation speed of bread