1 (edited by Orbit 18-Nov-2008 11:59:53)

Topic: Nap Breaks & General Honour

Nap breaks are becoming too common in IC and it's driving out decent players.  Since when has it been acceptable to just break terms, attack and have no one even blink an eyelid.  Yesterday we had a nap break on us by Nightwish (2nd time to my knowledge he's broke a nap)  Colorado (i dont think its his first either)  and Undeath.  Why should these players be left to spoil the game for others.  They were going to war my family, and yes they were most likely going to lose.  But thats war for you, a winner and a loser.  Back in the day you prepared and relished chances to fight bigger families, and once you proved your not worthless you were given peace.  Why are we only left with cowards who's only solution is corrupt. 

What are we going to do about nap breakers, because its becoming a big issue.  If it was me i'd make an honor committee who would assess nap breaks and if proved, throw them out of the game..  Because were better off without them.  Why should players have to change aspects of this game because they cant trust their enemies to show some class.  It's sad.

"It's very quiet on the political arena. I wish someone would stir up some trouble!"

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just tell everyone which fams are nap breakers and we'll gang rape em big_smile

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orbit add youre name also on blacklist if ya want breaking nap you guys hanging in cores where you dont belong is also breaking nap

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Colorado (Napbreaker)  we were sorting out core issues, i wouldnt allow my family to enter the war with planets inside your core,  thats not my style.  Sit back down on the napbreakers bench with the rest.

"It's very quiet on the political arena. I wish someone would stir up some trouble!"

5 (edited by Svarto 18-Nov-2008 12:26:18)

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From what i understood werent the "NAP breakers" from the fam that was in war with one fam, and then had another fam cancel the NAP on them while they were still in full fledged war. The family that cancelled the NAP was also higher in rankings than the lower ranked family. I think that is extremely unhonourable and corrupt, would u have cancelled the NAP on them if htey werent in war? How do we know, maybe we should stop posting the wars in uni news cause people just see it as an oppurtunity to attack at the same time and get cheap easy planets. Especially when a bigger family uses this tactic against a smaller family, i mean come on haha how can u defend that?

If i am wrong in my facts then I am sorry and please ignore my post.

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> Orbit wrote:

> Nap breaks are becoming too common in IC and it's driving out decent players.  Since when has it been acceptable to just break terms, attack and have no one even blink an eyelid.  Yesterday we had a nap break on us by Nightwish (2nd time to my knowledge he's broke a nap)  Colorado (i dont think its his first either)  and Undeath.  Why should these players be left to spoil the game for others.  They were going to war my family, and yes they were most likely going to lose.  But thats war for you, a winner and a loser.  Back in the day you prepared and relished chances to fight bigger families, and once you proved your not worthless you were given peace.  Why are we only left with cowards who's only solution is corrupt. 

What are we going to do about nap breakers, because its becoming a big issue.  If it was me i'd make an honor committee who would assess nap breaks and if proved, throw them out of the game..  Because were better off without them.  Why should players have to change aspects of this game because they cant trust their enemies to show some class.  It's sad.




Orbit, I classify fighting dirty the same thing as NAP breaking.  Long since gone are the days when people used to fight with honor.

You've had NAPs broken on you.

And conversely your fam randomly opped my fam (without offering any form of compensation - rather it led to a brief war between us, with us using desperate measures too).

And then also the dirty tactics of 1441, ur ally, of repeatedly using a small networth guy to infiltrate core systems, portal and jump big and kill bankers.


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Like I said in my posts earlier....situation of the game has degraded and gone pathetic, and people like myself have lost all motivation.  I used to love the days when you used to fight attacker vs attacker.  Hurting bankers was unheard of (only used to collect planets towards the end of a war) and opping bankers was taboo.

Can't really complain about one facet of 'honour' in the game, when you turn the cheek towards other forms of it.

7 (edited by Orbit 18-Nov-2008 12:33:22)

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No your opinion is welcome,  however we had been watching 1446 for a while, gain planets, not make the most of them.  We cant wait for all our enemies to get out of wars so we can have our turn.  We have to do what we need to, to keep our family progressing.  And there are just as many counter tactics for small families against big families.

@ Torqez, ur fam used the same tactics 1441 did against us, so your contradicting yourself.  And so what if you got opped, its a function of the game.

"It's very quiet on the political arena. I wish someone would stir up some trouble!"

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fams like 31 farm alwasy the cancel th nap the fam is our small or they are in big war and players in the smaller fam are so scary they just delete with no story bye bye 200 planets

why fams liek 31 second ranked cancel a nap on a fam ranked way lower then they and the smaller fam is in a big war

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Colorado, u fail to understand that the galaxy is much larger then normal, theres only so far we can reach without it becoming silly.  We've fought many fams so far and it happens the main contenders are the ones who have kept us away.

"It's very quiet on the political arena. I wish someone would stir up some trouble!"

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"And conversely your fam randomly opped my fam (without offering any form of compensation - rather it led to a brief war between us, with us using desperate measures too)."

torqez covered the part where we tried to use the dirty tactic but you did provoke it by nuking us randomly first. but 31 have been quite honourable in my eyes they couldve helped their ally more and beat us to crap but they decide not get involved in it. respect to u.

the mod is already looking at the delete/kill off and redraft abuse done by vips and hopefully it will be fixed by next round.

<parrot> there is also the odd  possibility that tryme is an idiot
<KT> possibility?
<genesis> tryme is a bit of an idiot
<Torqez> bit?

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orbit we fighted many fams but you guys still think 1 thing thats very coward  cancel a nap in a time a fam is in full war so you guys can go farming in a small fattie fam treu  but you make people deleting for no reasons  and the the core thingy

men wait  just when the war is over then cancel  the nap but the way you use its very silly

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how would it make a difference?

"It's very quiet on the political arena. I wish someone would stir up some trouble!"

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Damnit newbs, stop taking this so personally. The man is right about the situation, try to talk like adult, grown up people about THAT situation instead of bitching on each other. You have 99999 other topics where that happens, go there.

Something SHOULD be done about the honour, there already have been some attempts. It's VERY sad that codes of honour need to be written down in order to keep peace. Unwritten rules like these should be honoured without punishing and rewarding. This community is very sad.

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Orbit, this is just silly, come on.

What other option we had when a fam ranked 15 places above us, declares war on us? It was always clear that no matter what happened, you and your fam would win against us. And making this post is just trying to cover the fact that you declares war on a much lower ranked fam (!) who is still in war with another fam (!!), obviously to farm her to death. You can try to cover this dirty fact and fool the other players by blaiming us, but you definatly can't fool me. The one who really should be blamed is 1431 and not us (1446).

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hmm, so when u have a NAP, and you think your gonna loose in the upcomming war, you can break it. Didnt know that was the way naps worked

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Respoetin, i know your rank you don't need to keep reminding me of your failures as a family.  What option did you have?  well to fight would be the best.  And as for farming you to death, i don't have the time to waste my round making sure u were crippled.  You fought us well early in the round, we thought u would do the same again.  We were wrong.  Nothing justifys breaking naps.

"It's very quiet on the political arena. I wish someone would stir up some trouble!"

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You're wrong, dishonorable fams like yours don't deserve to be respected wth naps. That is what justifies the nap break.

And btw: all those nukes, hypno's and e-storms from both 31 and 24 (there are 7-8 people opping me at this very time), that's what you call honorable? Damn man, you prolly can break me with 1/4th of your fleet and still you're whining about us attacking a wee bit earlier. You definatly got lost of what is bad and what is worse. In this case: nap breaking is bad, but farming someone who is yet in pain due another war with 24 (who has also broken the nap before cancellation time was over, just to remind you) is worse.

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this game is a joke nowday, people breaking nap and using low moves.............................

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Raspoetin, people are opping you because you have poor defences, we can break you with 1/4 our fleet because a) you broke nap and didnt prepare yourselves and b) because you have poor defences.  As for the word farming, based on your planet to networth ratio, i would say any fam that attacked you would be farming, in which case, would you be unbeatable?  no.

(who has also broken the nap before cancellation time was over, just to remind you) is worse.  that sums it up, you have a nap broken on you, so your resolution is to do the same, pathetic.

"It's very quiet on the political arena. I wish someone would stir up some trouble!"

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I was in a fam years ago that broke a nap and i got blamed for it for many rounds even tho i did not break the nap myself and i fully understand that the whole fam takes the blame for nap breaks.

I remeber there was a time that nap breakers suffered at the hands of other fams for breaking naps. Maybe nap breakers should have all there naps cancel when they break naps and let their fate be in the hands of the rest of the ic community.

Regardless of your situation 1446 there's no reason that justfy's a nap break,if you think that you can't win a war fight anyway i'm sure that our war would have lasted no more than a couple of days at best. The game is all about fighting and wars,do your best win or lose.

Breaking naps makes you a target for the rest of the round.

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@Torquez
Orbit, I classify fighting dirty the same thing as NAP breaking.

First on this point torquez ur completely wrong. The term dirty fighting is an opinion which u have every right to have, but it doesnt make it dirty cause u say it is. and second NAP breaks are totally different since someone gave their word NOT to do something while the legal tactics of 41 didnt BREAK one word. so they are not even close to the same. i know ur not so ignorant to really think they are the same in ANYWAY.

and as far as the mods maybe making changes thats OK, just like the old pmode was changed and now another legal tactic was found and another will be found and so on.



And conversely your fam randomly opped my fam.

^^Once again you try to make a legal thing in doing randomn ops the same thing as breaking ur word and its no where close to the same. its once again ur opinion on how the game shud be played and not everyone agrees with ur opinion.

I ask, why is ur opinion on game play the right one and everyone else is wrong? why cant ur way be the wrong way?



And then also the dirty tactics of 1441, ur ally, of repeatedly using a small networth guy to infiltrate core systems, portal and jump big and kill bankers.
Like I said in my posts earlier....situation of the game has degraded and gone pathetic, and people like myself have lost all motivation.  I used to love the days when you used to fight attacker vs attacker.  Hurting bankers was unheard of (only used to collect planets towards the end of a war) and opping bankers was taboo.

actually ur wrong here also, bankers have been attacked since beta 3, whether by nukes ro w/e.

There was a time when everyone napped almost everyone then there were major cancellation wars BUT tactics changed as now, people started making cores, so why isnt that wrong since it wasnt always that way?

I mean in real wars from the 1800's to now tactics change because the ultimate goal is to win wars and the only thing that really matters as far as the IC community is concerned (or shud be) is do people keep their word NOT do they fight the way you or I say they have to. If its legal its legal, if its bad for the game then get it changed.

But it seems like everytime a small fam finds a way to beat a BIGGER fam they start whining and want to fix it like the pmode thingy.

If the mods change the delete and rejoin then guess what we will do?

We will just tell one camaar he is gonna do nothing all round and wait to do the same thing.

Are we also gonna get the mods to make a rule that if you dont build anything for so long that u will automatically be deleted so this cant happen?

Orbit is right, words need to be kept, even if keeping ur word u get ur ass kicked at least u have the respect of people.

thats just my opinion and its no better or worse than anyone else.

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orbit, tico's fam straight broke pnap on my fam 2 rounds ago (obviously intentional, used their entire round savings to attack us on the last tick)-no one even saw anything wrong with it, genesis and co. cheered him on b/c it helped them win in size.

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well u d only get to use that tactic once then and not 5-10 times a round. u are already using it twice to 1 fam this round.

<parrot> there is also the odd  possibility that tryme is an idiot
<KT> possibility?
<genesis> tryme is a bit of an idiot
<Torqez> bit?

24 (edited by Orbit 18-Nov-2008 15:11:05)

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I remember Impire. Its not the first time a fam has broken a nap on me, infact i reckon the were going into double figures on it.  How long will it take for mods to realise this unwritten code isnt good enough, and we need some more enforcement.  I would support it 100%  Everytime an individual or group of players breaks a nap they are setting the example for other fam members that it is ok to do.

@ Lyv, it might be annoying, but its not illegal in anyways, you just need to keep a small active guy around to prevent it.

"It's very quiet on the political arena. I wish someone would stir up some trouble!"

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imo, you break a nap, you should be punished. An agreement that is 'written' down more or less should be honored because you expect us to honor it


now, you guys 46, have to remember you're not the only one's this has happened to

hell, my second round in this game with jacubus and GeneralSkulls our allies dropped us, and declared war on us after we made an effort to end a war that was going nowhere and seriously crippling us (we ended up allying our former enemies to defeat our former ally, talk about irony)

third round, Jacubus and Skulls get blocked for multi'ing with AdriusAvangion's account, funny, yes, dropped jacubus' planet count from 200 to 115 in one tick, but a fam broke nap a few weeks later and we barely put them in their place


MW, I was in fam 14 with soccer_09, Sir Love and oracle (I went attacker and that botched up badly) we fought top fams and fought them hard enough they backed off. we ended the round with 16 naps of a 30 fam round, about 8 from top 10. Fought Zidi's fam, rank 1 in nw, while at rank 26 and they backed off.


just because you're smaller than a top 10 fam doesn't mean you can't fight back or can't make an effort. If you make an effort, the top fam will respect that and will leave you (mostly) alone. breaking a nap that was already cancelled just means that you're rushing to your doom

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1431 ftw