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That being said I think you could consider it a penis what she has since anything else sugjesting otherwise has been removed. except maybe the inside. But I do think she is still a she and not a he.

The state can say whatever it wants but she remains a women.

"no male gametes are present and ever will be present"

How about insemination . But yes nothing natural occuring will ever heppen

I'm just going to say "What the hell?" and call it a day.

Yeah, that class of feminists who think gender is a social construct, that women are oppressed, and men are evil are full of bs. Not that we shouldn't enjoy equal opportunity and be judged by our merit, but seriously they sometimes go way too far.

There is gender and it's biologically based. Yes there are people who don't fit the either or distinction, but those few exceptions are irrelevant. You would not say that P is false (let P be that humans biologically have two arms) because of a few exceptions of people who aren't born with any arms.

Areh,

BS. Gender and sex are interchangeable. If it wasn't, then I could logically check female between the male/female options listed under gender for medical or other forms. If they asked me why I checked female, they wouldn't ask "so you see yourself as female even though you are biologically male?" No they would say I lied or made an error.

The social aspect of gender is considered "gender identity."

LOL that big a post for just this

i'll give it to you in two lines

men have penises
women have vaginas

whatever you got at birth, that's what you are...if you got both(or none) then may god help you..

It's down to a genetic level. XX or XY. In every cell. Anyone who thinks that getting surgery and hormones can "change their gender" is just ignorant, in addition to mentally ill.

There are disorders like XXY and XYY. Unfortunate.

Again gender and sex are specific and different terms. Sex refers to the physical characteristics, gender to the psychological characteristics. Your gender can be different from your sex. Anyone who uses them interchangeably in all situations is using them incorrectly.

What's more, I get the impression many of you seem to be assuming there are only two options for gender, and that's clearly not the case (e.g. two-spirits).

P.S.

@Justinian

Almost all important forms use "Sex" in lieu of "Gender". If you see a form from an important governmental institution with the word "Gender", feel free to correct them in whatever manner you feel appropriate.

@Canadian Tire

You don't really choose your gender in way you shop around for a car, or some cookies.

> A10 wrote:

> Sex = Gender. Your going too far by inventing different meanings.

Man and woman are two halves of a baby making machine. No insight is gained by going further then that.

Aaaah, but then there would never be a logical explanation for the term "girly man!"

I don't really see what the big problem is... if a woman feels like she's a man (which, research indicates, is caused by a certain area in the brain functioning like that of a man instead of a woman) and wants a sex change and be called a man, why not? If that makes her (before operation)/him (after operation) feel better why judge?

What strikes me as so odd is that there's all this fuss over someone with ovaries and a uterus getting pregnant. Happens all the time. No breakthrough, no miracle, just newspapers and probably those people themselves cashing in over a story that stops being interesting after the headlines.

> V.Kemp wrote:

>It's a word for all of the mentally troubled young girls and boys (like Theodora; who, in fact, has a penis) who want to pretend they're something other than their XY or XX genetics that make up human beings. I again want to point out that I have nothing ill to say of those with genetic disorders involving their X and Y chromosomes; it's the other-wise healthy retards who grow up to be so psychologically [ ]ED UP that want to redefine basic language and mislead because they want their illness to be legitimized.

Um... my post was a joke. 

"lmost all important forms use "Sex" in lieu of "Gender". If you see a form from an important governmental institution with the word "Gender", feel free to correct them in whatever manner you feel appropriate.
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Going by your own very logic, that makes NO sense, As YOU said Governmental forms indicate "Sex", well Thomas(Aka Tracey), did a but load of paperwork and is now recognized by the Government and medical records as a "Male" (During the video of "It" giving birth, they showed the Hospital bracelet, which indicated Male).

Thats being said :
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Again gender and sex are specific and different terms. Sex refers to the physical characteristics, gender to the psychological characteristics. Your gender can be different from your sex. Anyone who uses them interchangeably in all situations is using them incorrectly."

Again, your words which very well contradict your own words when compared to the topic at point, now...
The purpose of this thread is to say.
1. What MEDICALLY considers a Gender/sex of a Human.
2. WHAT LEGALLY Considers "" """  ""  "" ""
3. What SOCIALLY (YOUR OPINION) """""""""""""
4. What is naturally as intended considered """" """ """ """

Your opinion is valid, as your opinion, but as i just showed your opinion is NOT fact.

"I don't really see what the big problem is... if a woman feels like she's a man (which, research indicates, is caused by a certain area in the brain functioning like that of a man instead of a woman) and wants a sex change and be called a man, why not? If that makes her (before operation)/him (after operation) feel better why judge?"

Why Judge.

1. THEY went to the media in an attempt to shock the world, the media didn't come after them, and i bet this isn't the first time a Trans Gender Female modified to appear male had a child, but THEY put it out there for the World to Judge.
2. The big fuss? Are kidding me? -
    A. They don't deserve the right, to have or conceive a child, as in all family law, the well being of the child is to be considered, this poor child is being born into an environment that will make her suffer, as well as the 2nd child. - Legislation should be passed to AVOID freeks from raising off spring and spreading there diluted values.
   B. The Government recognized the Sex of the Trans Gender woman - Is that right? According to the Medical/Scientific/Natural definition of a Male she DOES NOT meet it, so why allow her to be legally recognized as a Man?
  C. They are attempting to battle legislation that barred the "Wife" who contributed NO DNA to the child's make up, she had no gametes or reproductive material contributed to EITHER child, and yet she wishes to be recognized as a biological mother, which now if they succeed can rip apart all definitions of legality when it comes to Biological as opposed to Legal mother (Through adoption, ect), As well as Thomas (who provided THE FEMALE GAMETE NOT THE MALE ONE), wants to be recognized as the father, should the Government recognize their claims, it will shake the very foundation of what we consider to be Father, and Mother, and it in turns taints those who procreated as mother nature intended (Ef religion, it has nothing to do with this, so SHUT THE FRACK UP FATTIES).

We are not talking about fruit or land.

To use your logic, we are saying an Apple that has it's appearance modified to appear as an Orange, and for legality purposes they count it as an Orange, even though on the inside it's actual fruity material is not citrus it's Apple. Then the Apple seed from this Apple thats appears to be an Orange is planeted, and to no surpise it's an Apple tree, yet the farmer wants it be considered an Orange tree.

My question is.. Do we rewrite the definitions of such? Male, Females, Father, Mother - Is the concept as we known it open to be changed by personal desire? Do we allow this misinformation teachings to passed around?

> lmperial wrote:

> We are not talking about fruit or land.

To use your logic, we are saying an Apple that has it's appearance modified to appear as an Orange, and for legality purposes they count it as an Orange, even though on the inside it's actual fruity material is not citrus it's Apple. Then the Apple seed from this Apple thats appears to be an Orange is planeted, and to no surpise it's an Apple tree, yet the farmer wants it be considered an Orange tree.

My question is.. Do we rewrite the definitions of such? Male, Females, Father, Mother - Is the concept as we known it open to be changed by personal desire? Do we allow this misinformation teachings to passed around?

No, that's not my logic at all. You seem to have completely misunderstood.