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hahah, i think this always happens. giant flaming matches, then understanding. thats pretty cool right?
Thats Politics, lol - It can drive the closest people apart, and bring the most hateful of enemies together -.-
Haha.
wow, imperial; graduating public highschool in 4 years; congratulations, i didnt think you were even capable of that!
Avo, with every post you only further instill my initial assessment of you, A wannabe.
You try so hard, and yet fail so epically.
And yes, i did poorly in high school due to the fact, i had straight A's in my freshmen year yet i failed every single class, you see in Florida there is a zero tolerance for attendance over 9 absences, in any class results in a failure regardless of academic achievements. I had over 30, and yet in truth, i managed to graduate in 3, because of that fact.
My attendance was a direct result of my bad childhood, with out details, i can assure you it was nearly impossible for me to be present for school.
So sad, you are that is.
Why do you go to military in the first place ? Do you want to spend your life DESTROYING things ? I find it much more challenging and interesting to spend my lifeon CREATING things
@Imperial
9 Absences and you fail? That's really harsh. I had 20-25 unexplained absences/lates in one of my classes in senior year. It was an 8:30 class and I didn't have another class until the afternoon, so I played hooky a fair bit. All I got was a comment on my report card that said: "Frequent attendance would promote understanding."
I got a 95.
^ testament to new jersey public schools
> Theodora wrote:
> @Imperial
9 Absences and you fail? That's really harsh. I had 20-25 unexplained absences/lates in one of my classes in senior year. It was an 8:30 class and I didn't have another class until the afternoon, so I played hooky a fair bit. All I got was a comment on my report card that said: "Frequent attendance would promote understanding."
I got a 95.
Last i heard Florida changed it to 6, it's not 9 a year, it's 9 a semester (I believe 3 tardies count as an absence), so 12 a year or more, and your [w00f!], of course these are unexcused.. and well.. i doubt i would be excuse because my mother was so high she could barely walk more or less drive me to the bus stop that was over 13 miles away (We lived on the edge of the school district in a rural area.).
After my freshmen year i was so unmotivated concerning school, i didn't feel challenged enough to do my school work, felt like it was a waste of time, but i always aced my tests, which apparently is what caught the eye of my councilor, Guess it's common for your above average people to follow that pattern, well this is in hindsight, at the time i couldn't care less, school felt like a waste of time, i rarely learned anything new, and i was so behind in credits, i didn't think i could graduate in time.
I thank the Marine corps for the work ethics it instill in me and an appreciation of the scholastic achievements that i was able to make in my Military formal schooling.. to be honest schooling became relaxing.. no one yelling at you.. no one making you Run harder, push harder, punching you in the face for "Body harding", just me and the books.
hmmm, whenever i type something he doesnt want to respond to, he says he doesnt read my posts, whenever i post something that gives him a chance to whine about his childhood, he jumps at the opportunity....
Avo, there is no responding to your posts, you don't understand basic English, or logic, something doesn't work right in your head when your drawing parallels between homosexuality, and heterosexual incest.
I had no problem with you till you started spewing nonsense, come up with some proper arguments supported by facts, and we will talk.
AS for my childhood, whining, and statements are 2 different things, try in the future to remember that, you might find yourself not getting beat up so much.
haha looks like yell is a sore loser closing all of the threads on Obama, even the one by gladiator which clearly has the right to exist
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Solar Fighter Re: Obama's dissolution of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"Why do you go to military in the first place ? Do you want to spend your life DESTROYING things ? I find it much more challenging and interesting to spend my lifeon CREATING things
you are an idiot....go watch re-runs of 9/11 and then come back and tell me we are "destroying" things. last time i checked Iraq is becoming a stronger country due to the REBUILDING we have done there. and the people are HAPPY we are there and even have made comments hoping we dont pull out because they fear it will go back to how it was before!
btw, yes I am a United States Marine and proud to be one....i destroy those who wish to destroy my country and the people in it. I willingly lay my life on the line so that the people back home can whine and complain and call me a baby killer and innocent killer because that is their right! Dont forget that your "FREEDOM" has its cost...and its the lives of the military members who so willingly lay them down even while you bash us.
so now i use my freedom too.....while i would gladly die for the people in my country, i also say you can go to hell when you die.
Well.. not defending Iraq - that was imo an illegal, stupid and arrogant war - but that aside indeed respect to the troops, they do risk their lives for their country which shows sacrifice and courage and loyalty.
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AS for my childhood, whining, and statements are 2 different things, try in the future to remember that, you might find yourself not getting beat up so much."
ummm, whining often/usually consists of statements... just more ramblings from this moron.
"something doesn't work right in your head when your drawing parallels between homosexuality, and heterosexual incest."
thats not what i was drawing comparisions to, moron. you said that homosexuals will be attracted to a straight man, just because he's a man. using your logic, a straight man would be attracted to any woman, including his mom. if a man, can control his instincts enough to make it so a man can not be sexually attracted to his mother, a gay man can control his instincts enough to make it so he is not attracted to the soliders he's on mission with.
There's an evolutionary reason why almost all men aren't attracted to their mothers.
so not true Justinian. its a cultural reason.
if a 13 year old girl has a kid, is unable to raise him, so gives him up for adoption, when the kids turns 12ish and by chance sees this hot 25 year old that he doesnt know is his birth mother, he'll most likely be very attracted to her; and wont be attracted to his legal mother, despite no biological likeness between the two. and if the 12 year old found out the 25 year old was his birth mother, he would no longer be as sexually attracted to her. this is the doing of society. and if society can make guys ignore family, they can make gays ignore fellow soldiers.
avo,
Well there's a few problems with that. Other animals don't copulate with their parents either. There's an evolutionary reason for this. If we were attracted to and copulated with our parents, then the species would have diminishing returns. There's also evidence that we are repulsed from body odors with similar configuration as our own, who suggest either bad mates or close relatives. Though I can grant you that there's a greater likelihood of mother/son attraction if they did not grow together, it can be explained that social experiences cause us to recognize our relatives, and this recognition causes us to be repulsed by them.
when it comes to who we have sex with, Humans are extremly different then any of animal in the world. you cant say something about our sex lives must be false before no other animals do it like that. society tells us what is acceptable in a mate. a clsoe relative isnt acceptable.
Yes, our sexuality is very bizarre compared to the rest of the animal kingdom, but evolutionary advantage is still behind our sexuality as it is theirs. Complex social structures coincided with changes in sexual behavior.
Humans reared together are very unlikely to be attracted to each other. That's why brother-sister incest is so rare. If you live with a brother/sister from a young age, you're unlikely to be attracted to them.
And it's not just social norms. There's a study we covered in university that went into it. My memory on the details is fuzzy though. Anyhoo, the basics are...
There's a people in some Asian country that believe in arranged marriage. Unlike normal arranged marriages though, the man and woman are raised in the same household from infancy. They grow up together. They get married in their teens (when the girl first menstruates I believe). What they found is that those couples are less attracted to each other than people in arranged marriages who had not been raised together.
I wish I could remember the study so I could provide more details. It was fascinating.
meh, i never specified the mother raised you when i was mentioning mothers previously. the theory theo presented would also explain how humans used to avoid the pitfall that is breeding with relatives.
> avogadro wrote:
> meh, i never specified the mother raised you when i was mentioning mothers previously. the theory theo presented would also explain how humans used to avoid the pitfall that is breeding with relatives.
Actually, in ignorance you did, because you parallel a Gay man's attraction to me to be equate to my attraction of my mother, thus - Your relate this to my own personal life, in an attempt to dispel my ideas on the thought, in relations to my none-existent attraction to my mother, Either way this is a catch 22 for you Avo, Because either one, your relating to me, and an attempt to dispel the possibility of Man/Man, Man/Woman(Mother) In reference to maternal affection due to raising and acknowledgment of my mother, OR an attracted to an estranged mother that your unaware of whom is your mother, and you either mistake maternal love for sexual attraction, or you ignorantly have legit attraction out of ignorance for your mother. (The Oedipus complex, minus the death of the father.)
In the end the simple fact is, that your comparing a Gay mans attraction to a Man of no relations, to a Heterosexual Man's Attraction a Woman of Maternal relations.
Which is not feasible, and to think i was saying "A man/man because he is a man, then why won't i man/mother because she is a woman", then your mistaken about my point with that example, Same reason any rape happens, either impulsive or premeditated desire to sexual satisfy themselves, which requires sexual attraction - When used in the context in which I'm referring to.
Which is another flaw in your argument your attempting to Parallel my mindset to that of someone else's I'm not saying that ALL Gay men will act in such a fashion, I'm just saying why risk inviting the wolf to the hen house for dinner?
-- And as for your statement about whining, WOW you almost understood what i said, ALMOST
Whining is statements, but it's in the matter of your perceiving those statements your assuming intent off of actions, which is impossible for you to know, your just assuming that, because it makes you feel better, which is your problem, not mine.
"Actually, in ignorance you did, because you parallel a Gay man's attraction to me to be equate to my attraction of my mother, thus - Your relate this to my own personal life, in an attempt to dispel my ideas on the thought, in relations to my none-existent attraction to my mother, Either way this is a catch 22 for you Avo, Because either one, your relating to me, and an attempt to dispel the possibility of Man/Man, Man/Woman(Mother) In reference to maternal affection due to raising and acknowledgment of my mother, OR an attracted to an estranged mother that your unaware of whom is your mother, and you either mistake maternal love for sexual attraction, or you ignorantly have legit attraction out of ignorance for your mother. (The Oedipus complex, minus the death of the father.)"
i was using the plural form of you as a pronoun for all straight men. you need to learn your English 
i obviously dont know anything about your personal life and wouldnt be in a position to tell of it.
"In the end the simple fact is, that your comparing a Gay mans attraction to a Man of no relations, to a Heterosexual Man's Attraction a Woman of Maternal relations."
so men in the army dont have a relationship with the men he works with every day?! i thought there was usually a bond between soldiers that fight together....
"Which is another flaw in your argument your attempting to Parallel my mindset to that of someone else's I'm not saying that ALL Gay men will act in such a fashion, I'm just saying why risk inviting the wolf to the hen house for dinner?"
well, i dont think most men consider rape an option, most men arent wolves... i would hope usually they're able to screen out the rapists long before active duty...
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Whining is statements, but it's in the matter of your perceiving those statements your assuming intent off of actions, which is impossible for you to know, your just assuming that, because it makes you feel better, which is your problem, not mine"
i dont have a problem with it. you're having a problem with how im perceiving your statements, which is your problem
>so men in the army dont have a relationship with the men he works with every day?! i thought there was usually a bond between soldiers that fight together....<
I'm talking Maternal bond.
>well, i dont think most men consider rape an option, most men arent wolves... i would hope usually they're able to screen out the rapists long before active duty...<
Your not military you don't know us, we ARE wolves (and when i say we, i say the mass majority), Military men are very predatory sexually, and i know this, i eat, slept, and bled with thousands of them over the term i was in, i know how they think, and operate.
I understand your having a hard time understand the merging of 2 seperate concepts.
I'm not talking about Gay men.
I'm talking about Gay men in the Military, and it's effects, regardless of what you believe there is a difference, much like there is a difference between those who decide to serve and fight for whatever reason, and those who don't.
The Training Marines endure alone can turn some of the most docile men, and women into incredibly overwhelming people who will let nothing stand before them, I've witness this, and in some fashion endured it in subjects pertaining to my own life that i was docile within.
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