in our army we have women and men.... and they don't start raping each others...

do many marines rape women if they meet some into an isolated district of an Urban city?

if not why do you expect gay men to do that?

so you already have people in the army that are gay... you just don't know who.. or?
why aren't you afraid of those? or are you?

"
if not why do you expect gay men to do that?"

they dont expect gays to rape people, they expect gays to be distracted by their sex appeal to other soliders while they are on the front lines, and for their horniness to distract them to the point where they endanger their fellow soliders.

@ Matrix

Ok, seriously people stop posting shit until you read and understand what I've already said.

There are very COMPLEX and in depth procedures of keeping males/females separate from each other while serving during "distractive" states that could lead to MANY different problems aside from sex crimes.

Do you think they allow a Male heterosexual Marine to see a female naked or showering? No.

But if openly homosexual Marines were present they would be billeted with straight Marines, and thus witnessing the said above actions, INCREASING many different outcomes.

It's the Unique dynamics of SAME-SEX Attractions, you guys keep trying to compare this to Male/Female, but ITS NOT that simple, this isn't the same this is MALE/MALE  == FEMALE/FEMALE, and overt permission to be gay will increase more issues then dissolution of the policy would solve.

The trade off is a failure waiting to happen.

As i mentioned the Military Esp. The Marines are big on Espirit De Corp, and Camaraderie, you have to know that you can share brotherly moments with your comrades, and you connect on a level that is only present when your looking at the man that may one day save your life, Throw into that connection the fact that man is gay, and now your less likely to feel that Espirit De Corp. Which is detriment to Morale on a level you can't understand.

@Avo.

>> so basically. you're saying because you [wuv] women, if you havent been [wuvd] for a year, and all of a sudden you see your mom, you're going to be eye balling her to the extent that you cant even do your job properly because you're so sexually attracted to your mom? or are you claiming gays are hornier then straights? <<

Is my sexual preference incest? No, then your point is Moot as hell, remember, we are talking 3 GAY men, men who have acknowledged there attraction to other men, not Hill Billys who bang their sisters.. come on man, use some common sense, that was a hella stupid point.

I mean seriously, how do you compare a Gay Man wanting sex to a Straight man wanting to bang his Mom, christ.. i don't even know whats wrong with your head.

>>first of all, how do you know they werent born gay?
2nd, you said being gay is not how we are designed to function. saying we are designed to function, means, we were designed by an intelligent being. beleif in an intelligent being usually goes hand in hand with beleiving the intelligent being is all powerful and all knowing, meaning, he created everything knowing what each creation would do and everything that has happened was meant to happen, including homosexuality. so if humans were designed to function, gays were designed to be gay.<<

Good lord, you kinda stupid.. you look into stuff way too much and think yourself in a corner.

"Designed to function", i didn't say some magical "God" made people, I'm saying what 4th graders learn.. We are a sexual species with 2 Genders, equipped with organs to reproduce..

Penis is a shaft, fits nice an' snug into a vagina.

The rectum is a tight muscle with fragile skin, not meant for insertion by anything on the scale of a penis.

The Vagina is self lubricating and intended for use in sexual reproduction.

How self-Explaining can that be when i said designed for... good lord your common sense lacks a few notches from par.

> avogadro wrote:

> "
Is my sexual preference incest? No, then your point is Moot as hell, remember, we are talking 3 GAY men, men who have acknowledged there attraction to other men, not Hill Billys who bang their sisters.. come on man, use some common sense, that was a hella stupid point.

I mean seriously, how do you compare a Gay Man wanting sex to a Straight man wanting to bang his Mom, christ.. i don't even know whats wrong with your head."

your sexual preference is woman; correct? you're saying gay men only need to see another male to be so distracted they endanger their soldiers. your mom is a woman, correct? are you so sexually attracted to her, that you would endanger your fellow soldiers?

'"Designed to function", i didn't say some magical "God" made people, I'm saying what 4th graders learn.. We are a sexual species with 2 Genders, equipped with organs to reproduce.."

yes, you did. saying humans were designed, is saying some intelligent being designed humans and you said that intelligent being designed humans so that they wouldn't be attracted to people of the same sex.

Good lord, if you post another stupid post like this I'm just gonna ignore your posts.

1. My mother is female yes, but in order for me to sexually attracted to her i would need to be willing to commit incest, i am not sexually attracted to my mother, for she is RELATED by maternal blood.

What your saying is as if a Gay man would have butt secks with his dad.

Your not just in the wrong ballpark your trying to play baseball with a hockey stick.

I'm saying if a straight woman (basically has the same sexual attraction as a Gay man) were to see me shower, get naked, and socially interacted with me all the while not having her own sexual satisfaction, as time goes on she will become more and more sexually attracted to me or any other man.

Same goes for a Gay man, and even more so, because even though a Gay man's preference for same sex relations is female based, he is still a man with the aggressive sexual nature of a man, making it VERY dangerous, which is the exact reason military men and women are not allowed to live in the same space (Coed).

2. >>yes, you did. saying humans were designed, is saying some intelligent being designed humans and you said that intelligent being designed humans so that they wouldn't be attracted to people of the same sex.<<

The hell? Are you stupid? Cite where i said that - I NEVER said that, and if you want to put a face on it then, lets say MOTHER NATURE With efficiency in mind designed the sexual species to reproduce

">2. Overview Living things are many and varied. Human beings like you are living things. Cows, lizards, rats and butterflies are living things. Orange trees, and palm trees and other plants are living things. It is generally observed that all living things have certain characteristics common to them. Living things feed, respire, excrete, move, respond to external stimuli, grow and *****reproduce young ones*****. These are sometimes referred to as " life processes". There are so many living things that people try to sort them into some kind of order.<"

Pay attention to the part that i put in some nifty ****** for you, in order to be considered a "Living thing" you must be able to reproduce, so in your "mind set"

If you room the female element from life, and have an all male gay Biosphere, the species would die out in 2-3 Generations, and Humans would cease as a "Living Thing".

Now, i don't know how else to explain this crap to you other then sitting you down crayons and drawing pretty pictures for you, if you can't understand this, maybe you didn't attend your sex ed. classes in Elementary School.

Source:

http://library.unesco-iicba.org/English/SECONDARY_SCIENCE_SERIES/science_lessons/6_characteristics_of_living_things.htm

i like where this thread is going

"Either way your posts, lack any sense, and are all together completely ludacris, as which i will ignore any all all posts bearing your name, and your idiotic way of thinking, which sound enough seems to defy the laws of nature."

well, im 21; lost my virginity in middleschool, and according to teachers from elementary school and highschool, test scores from elementary school and highschool, college professors, past and current employers, family and friends, i'm at the very least intellectually gifted if not genius. but no, you, some homophobic idiot, thats been sheltered most his life, must be right....

but go ahead, ignore someone who thinks differently then you; i wouldnt expect anymore from your kind.

""Gays can reproduce" WTF? ROFLMAO Good lord."

you have never heard of gay men marrying women and having kids? damn, you must really be sheltered.

"Lol you aren't genius, but I'll give it to you that you're gifted. Your IQ is probably somewhere around 115-120ish.  That puts you in at least the 10% club. Now all you need is to be evil like me ."

im glad me having some fun with this moron is entertaining to some of the other experianced members on this forum.

evil in whose view? who are you currently thinking yourself the enemy of?

Einstein had an IQ of 85, IQ tests are bullshit.  But avo certainly isnt a moron.  Mr Imperial on the other hand, is quite stupid, as most educated people can tell from his posts.  He is entitled to his opinions though, however silly they may be.

> avogadro wrote:

> "Lol you aren't genius, but I'll give it to you that you're gifted. Your IQ is probably somewhere around 115-120ish.  That puts you in at least the 10% club. Now all you need is to be evil like me ."

im glad me having some fun with this moron is entertaining to some of the other experianced members on this forum.

evil in whose view? who are you currently thinking yourself the enemy of?

HAHAHAHA, Holy hell thanks for the laugh -

You can't even type straight.

Your not gifted, your a moonshine slugging retard.

Experienced members? I've been posting on this forum (with a 2 year break), since 2004, so please Educate yourself.

Your a moron

"Heard of a gay man marrying a woman and having kids".

That alone sums up how STUPID you are.

My example was a Biosphere devoid of female interaction, i understand big words are hard for you to understand but here "THAT MEANS FEMALES WOULD NOT EXIST TO PROCREATE".

What, your a lead paint licking retarded kid wearing a football helmet.

You sir, entertain the HELL out of me, and my GF, we laugh our behinds off at your ignorant illiterate excuse of an argument.

Sheltered?

Father was dead at 8, and mother was gone at 10, lived with different Family my whole life, till i joined the Marines, and did something with my life unlike YOU.

Haha, Christ your the saddest example of public school failing I've ever seen, I tested in on WAIS-R, and other IQ tests and scored 148.

You sir are a shining example of a possible IQ of 110 or less, who thinks he knows something, and DOESN'T

Hell you can't even read the shit I'm typing with out getting confused, and I've broke it down to the 4th grade level for you.

Your a moron, your supporters are dubbly morons.

You should kill yourself, and purge your idiotic genetic material from the Gene pool.

And for those who keep putting in these retarded half thought opinions on a subject matter they know about, stop posting in this thread, your morons, and i don't care about how the care bears or my little ponies told you to love everyone.

Can i please get an opinion of an intelligent, educated, realist, who isn't high and that possibly served in the military..

Not these adolescant who went behind mommy's back and jumped online to make themselves look retarded.

i agree with imperial.  not allowing openly homosexual people to stay in the military is a perfectly fair rule based on our current system.  Women and men lodge in seperate areas, for very obvious reasons, so why should homosexuals be an exception to that rule.  we have already established that homosexuals are few and far between so seperating gays from straights would be a silly alternative and only encourage the thinking that there is more sexes than male and female which is incorrect.

We are going to disagree here BW.  It is homophobia.  You're afraid of homosexuals taking a shine to you and solely because of that you don't want them to be open about it.  It matters littleif they are reasonable individuals who can control themselves, like any other reasonable individual.  But oh no, as soon as someone says to you they're gay, then suddenly its a big no-no and they shouldn't be there, totally irrespective of the fact gays already serve in the military and are possibly all around you.  And have already seen you naked.  Already seen you urinate and excrete.  Already been "nut to butt" with you.  Oh no, that's fine.  Naturally.  But as soon as they come out, well, then that's totally wrong and you change you're mind entirely and suddenly have a very negative opinion of them and want to see them leave. 

As for women not being in the infantry, there are possibly reasonable physiological reasons for not allowing them to serve in dangerous hot spots and in situations where really heavy manual labour is concerned.  That's not necessarily sexist, that's just a good physiological reason.  Unless, of course, on a person-by-person basis they are quite able to cut it with the men.  But not allowing able bodied homosexual men that are out to people?  Even if you allow able-bodied homosexual men that are closeted?  Sorry, that's irrational, illogical and not a good enough excuse.

Lateralis, I respect your opinion.

But i'm going to go out on a limb, and assume you never served?

Your attacking this topic, and the talking points of those who have served, on what basis? Your attacking the WRONG talking point, you are attacking HOMOPHOBIA as it were.

The issue isn't do you hate/love/tolerate gays, it's the efffect on the every day man on the ground in the military.

It's not about my personal opinion or yours, it's about the en mass reaction.

And you can not argue the point that we that server KNOW the mind set of the mass majority of people who have served, and as which we can say with confidence in conclusion that:

All types of interaction with a Gay man who is not open, and those involved with him are ignorant of him, will allow the military to continually function as it were intended, and no one will attempt to find out the true sexual preference of the said Gay man - Translate Don't Ask, Don't tell. -

Dissolution of above said policy would create hysteria, among the majority, which are heterosexuals, and not as "sensitive" to the education presets of empathizing those who have same-sex preference's, the resulting actions will destroy the military ability to function as a coerce institution, and in thus collapse.

You can preach whatever you want, in the end - Inviting a SOCIALLY unaccepted (Because IT IS, and this isn't based on anyone opinion other then American Cultural acceptance.) Into an institution that's very dynamics are highly affected by those who make up the institution, spells disaster.

End result in conclusion :

Obama is not fit to be Commander in Chief, based upon his ignorant belief that this move will help the military, when it fact it could mortally wound it - In turn the Chief must look out for the Majority, as in American Democracy.. Majority rules, and in turn - He is not fit for the job to lead the American Nation.