Topic: Zeitgist Addendum and Venus Project
Does anyone else know about them?
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what are they
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912
zeitgeist: addendum
about the monetary system and how it sucks, and how we should abolish money by switching to a resource based economy where everybody is provided with all they need and nobody has to work. This society (according to the venus project) is possible with the use of science.
Personally I think it's impossible to replace all work with automated factories, and there will be jobs with no incentive to work them. Also it's very unrealistic since the entire world has to be in on it and that just won't happen.
I'd prefer a society as described in Aldous Huxley's "Island" by the way, but again, impossible.
Interesting! Will make a gynormous post about this later. ![]()
So only a couple people here have watched it?
From what vissertje described, I don't think it's my thing. I live in reality.
Ok, well, at the end of the film, they call for action:
"1. Boycott Citibank, JP Morgan Chase and Bank of America, the most powerful controllers in the corrupt Federal Reserve System. Expose the banking fraud. Move your money, credit cards or mortgages to other banks. If you own stock in them, sell it. If you work for them, quit. This gesture will express contempt for the powers behind the private banking cartel known as the Federal Reserve, and it will create awareness about the fraud of the banking system itself.
2. Boycott the news networks (CNN, ABC, NBC, Fox, etc.) and visit the emerging independent news agencies on the internet for your information. With four corporations owning all the news media outlets, objective information is impossible. The true beauty of the internet is that the establishment has been losing control because of this free flow of information. We must protect the internet at all times, as it is truly our savior right now.
3. Boycott the military. Don't ever allow yourself, your family, or anyone you know to join the military. This is an obsolete institution now used exclusively for maintaining an establishment that is no longer relevant. US soldiers work for US corporations, not the people. Propaganda forces us to believe that war is natural and the military is an honorable institution. Well, if war is natural, why are there eighteen suicides every day by veterans who have post-traumatic stress disorder? If our military men and women are so honored, why is it that twenty-five percent of the American homeless population are veterans?
4. Boycott the energy corporations. If you live in a detached house, get off the grid. Investigate every means of making your home self-sustainable with clean energy. Solar, wind and other renewable energies are now affordable consumer realities. Considering the never-ending rising cost of traditional energies, it will likely be a cheaper investment over time. If you drive, get the smallest car you can and consider using one of the many conversion technologies that can enable your car to be a hybrid, electric, or run on anything other than establishment fuels.
5. Reject the political system. The illusion of democracy is an insult to our intelligence. In a monetary system, there is no such thing as a true democracy, and there never was. We have two political parties owned by the same set of corporate lobbyists. They are placed in their positions by the corporations, with popularity artificially projected by their media. In a system of inherent corruption, the change of personnel every couple of years has very little relevance. Instead of pretending that the political game has any true meaning, focus your energy on how to transcend this failed system.
6. Create critical mass. Join the movement. Go to our website and help us create the largest mass movement for social change the world has ever seen. We must mobilize and educate everyone about the inherent corruption of our current world system, along with the only true sustainable solution declaring all the natural resources on the planet as common heritage to all people, while informing everyone as to the true state of technology, and how we can all be free if the world works together rather than fights."
Thoughts?
point 4 for me makes sence.
in times where energy gets more expensive all the time..and lots of ressources to create energy is imported from "bad nations" getting your house self sustainable appears a good thing to me. also helps reducing the co2 emissions.
point 5 is somehwat true too in my opinion. politics became more like a show then real politics.
i guess your 600W PC is powered by a solar cell
lol
mine has only 300W.
and a pitty my appartment doesnt have solar cells...
i quit using my 2000W dryer though and prefet to hang clothes for drying now.
but when you drive around.. you see many many house having solar pannels now
anyone who asn't seen the film should see it because it's very interesting and realy makes you think.
The eventual collapse of the global monetary system seems inevitable for so many reasons that I don't even know where to begin explaining it.
What are people supposed to do when there is no work though? Grow fat and make crap art?
@BiefstukFriet
Why would any sane, sentient, intelligent human being - giving all the choices of activities they would have available to them in such a society that the Venus Project portrays - spend their time just sitting around eating and crapping, and, as you put it, making 'crap' art? Perhaps I am wrong, but I kind of think human beings have evolved beyond the point of being self-actualized in making little figurines out of their own feces.
This is not to mean I didn't understand what you meant. I understand your point, and it deserves some thought. Would the vast majority of human beings simply stop contributing to society, and go about creating 'crap' art, that is to say art which is not particularly 'artistic' or valuable?
I think there would still be room for progress in the society the Venus Project portrays . Such a society would not be perfect, and there would still be a need to improve it. Progression of human society can be likened to the progression of science: just as every advancement in science leads to yet more possible advancements, and, therefore, the constant, unending need for further scientific discovery, so too would every step forward in improving society lead to yet more possible steps. So, therefore, in such a society where such problems as poverty, hunger, menial labor, and basic materialistic needs are easily met for all people regardless of their contribution to society, would there be anyone willing to devote their time to work towards further improvements? Would the progression of society, in other words, become stagnant? One can't really answer this question unless one considers the sorts of problems such a society would yet have to solve, or what sorts of progressive endeavors there would yet be possible.
The level of willingness to solve such problems would depend upon the perceived severity of the problems to be solved or the perceived importance of the endeavor to be attempted. For instance, let's imagine that for generation after generation, humanity has been in a state of complacent bliss, with robotics and etc. providing every basic need to all people. Perhaps the most pressing issue facing that society would be a recent shortage of entertainment. People would start to seek out different forms and / or sources of entertainment, increasing the likelihood for an emerging, obscure, unconventional, cutting-edge artist to acquire an audience. Moreover, with there being a shortage of entertainment, more people would start entertaining themselves and become new, active entertainers who'd also start attracting their own audiences as well.
I think the basis for this process is observable today. Just look at how popular some emerging artists are on youtube. There is a lot of interesting and evokotive stuff out there that is certainly not 'crap'. The fact that people watch it makes it successful as art. In fact, even today, there is the process of one artist remixing another artist's work online, or parodying it, creating today an artistic explosion never before seen. The passive observer si becoming the active participant in this artistic renaisance of the 21st century, and they are doing so without regard for money.
In fact, this emergent renaissance in art is only made possible because it actively REJECTS the monetary system. I think Zeitgeist Addendum is right on the mark in so many ways. The collapse of the monetary system is the spirit of our time. It may soon come to the point when humanity would be no less entertained if Hollywood simply went bankrupt and stopped making movies whatsoever, for pretty soon technology will be at the level where household and community entertainment created by those who do so voluntarily for no financial gain whatsoever, is actually more entertaining than Hollywood blockbusters.
Seriously, BiefstukFriet, have you youtubed recently?
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