Re: Evolution vs Creationism

As an aspiring historian, I find it necessary to make some comments on Charlie Manson's post.

"Some of those theories however are quite flawed for determining the age of earth. Carbon dating is probably their most useful tool for this. However, carbon dating itself isn't accurate, you can use this particular method to determine the date of; for example, a clay pot that was dated from the Egyptian period of 50bce, but because of the material itself would date the clay content to be about 900bce. Same can be said for many material, because of this, it's impossible to apply this to any earthly material. As they all give varying dates.
Because of the incontinence in Carbon dating, scientists have used the matter from the moon to try and approximate the date of the earth. Using the same method, Carbon dating, which again is flawed for the same reason. However, there is a greater problem with this, this doesn't accurately measure the date of the earth, because of the fact that it's not from the Earth."

Carbon dating is not even used to determine the age of the planet, all it can do is date when a living organism stopped living. This implies that when remains are found (coal should be theiretically possible) it can be determined when it stopped being a living organism. This implies that objects from the moon can not possibly be dated with carbon dating. What he claims here is thus utter bollocks. Although it can indeed be used to determine the age of certain geological layers, it's impossible to use it to date the earth.
Same goes for the "clay pot" example. It's bollocks. Terracotta is dated by a technique of wich I don't know the name in english, but it involves heating it. I have to add that carbon dating is relatively speaking very exact (it can date stuff to 30 years exact) .. For older materials as the carbon procedure allows, there are other similar tests based on other materials (I can't remember which ones at the moment though; I can look them up if you like).

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Carbon dating isn't accurate within a certain number of centuries, I believe 1400 years...after that it can be accurate

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Yup, although that amount of time must be less, as the shroud of Turin s carbondated, and that it proved to be a 13th century fake.

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> ..Nemeara.. wrote:
> i think it's funny how ppl think science doesnt require faith<

(Not directed at you honey, you just made me think of a point worth raising)
I think it is funny that people who are too lazy to test the theories that they are too stupid to understand think that it must be this way for everyone and then assume that they believe these theories out of faith.

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if you can't demonstrate how life is produced from a soup of primordial proteins...but feel sure it actually happened...and someday we'll know how...

how is that different from not personally having seen the Messiah walking around roman judea 2000 years ago...but feeling sure it happened...and that someday it will be demonstrated

one faith has different social impact but it is still gambling on eventual revelation of existing truth by means you can't demonstrate

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A lot lies in the absolute claims religion makes about life and the nature of the Creator.

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Which is why no true scientist will claim 100% certainty, hence the term "scientific theory" rather than "scientific fact", a term bandied about by some of our less stable forum members.

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Science does not include a faith that life began from a primordial soup of proteins and basic amino acids. Only faith includes such a faith.

It's a scientific hypothesis. Some people figure it to be more likely [almost certain! it has to be! there could be no other way!], some people figure it to be less likely [not. f[ ]in'. possible.]. That's why scientists do tests to see how complicated of amino acids they can create with substances and conditions likely to have existed in the earth's history by processes like lightning. They're searching for evidence to support or contradict this hypothesis. You can equivocate and call it a theory in place of a hypothesis, but ultimately it will be just as accurate or inaccurate a description of how life began regardless of how confident in this proposed method of life-creation a scientist is.

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I believe the dating of the earth is really far off. Mainly carbon dating and such. Instead of millions of years old.

If the earth was thousands of years old.

Something to think about a great flood would cause dating issues for one.

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We know the limits of carbon dating. We know how it works. We know why it works. We know why and how it won't work when it won't work. tongue Nobody's trying to carbon date the earth. *lol*

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Sorry to bring this slightly off/on topic, but must slightly distract things:


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287 (edited by Justinian I 28-Oct-2008 17:55:38)

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> Justinian I wrote:

> And you're a dirty politician smile.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEJL2Uuv-oQ


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