> Insignificant wrote:

> it's more of a comment on the British view's on sex and how it's so taboo that people wear literally layers of clothing in order not to be provocative towards the opposite sex.<

You've never actually been to Britain have you?

Ah, that explains why you think the British have some weird taboo about sex; small cross-section of a minority group (Atheists have the majority in the UK).

  Sorry, I don't do christian music; too samey. I did give it a chance, listened to a few reccommended groups, but to be honest all I heard was lots of different ways of saying "Jesus is my special friend" and  "Jesus loves me/you". Sometimes they get kind of creepy, like one song called "Whispers in the Dark" which, to my mind, made Jesus out to be a stalker.

Trust me, Christian songs can be spotted a mile away, all that's missing is a coked-up gospel choir

I disagree with you there Fokker. While most christian music probably is like that, there's this band called Woven Hand that is actually awesome. Quite a lot of their songs are bible-inspired (not all though), and they sound great. I'm a fan of them, although I just neglect the christian message (it's not meant to convert people, so why would I be bothered?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaCIj2yxhsM (disregard the silly fantasy pictures)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OYv8wZpCGw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4jbY8SVDJ0

And isn't it funny that Gay Bar is posting in Christian Community. I thought they are against gayness?

> &#9773; Fokker wrote:

> Trust me, Christian songs can be spotted a mile away, all that's missing is a coked-up gospel choir

Look up bands like 'Blindside' 'Flyleaf' 'Red' all hardcore christian rock bands, but you can't really tell they're singing about god.

Charlie Manson, as I pointed out throughout the entire thread is that we only know 2 things about Jesus if we base ourselves on historical facts:
1) he existed in the area that is now Israel
2) he was a big enough disturbance to get crucified.

That's where the historical facts end, and all the rest are mere assumptions. Of course, we are to assume that he had a wife and children, there's no proof to support it. That's all I'm trying to say here. All that goes beyond that (without some supporting evidence) is not history, that's the domain of Dan Brown, authors like him or religious interpretations

But there are 2 different, independent and neutral sources that speak of him. It is thus proven that he did exist Manson.

Both of them.

I'm just buggin you guys ^.^

I've been wondering about this. If I wrote a comprehensive book supporting intelligent design, would anyone actually buy/read it?