I would not bother getting in the middle of this debate though, since it has gone too personal already. to return back to one of BW's posts: a bag full of books can be reaaaally heavy. Trust me, it can really smack stuff.

he does have some good points, delivery is the problem.

cuz it's stupid to suggest the american citizens the voters have to be vetted LOL

or did i mis-understand you?

@ 420

OK, Im going to attempt to be civil kid.

You dont know that, according to me,  "Elites" are the pompous types, mostly leftists, permeating the Media, Hollywood and universities populated by leftist professors.  In the above, im talking about the full assault by the media "elite."

Still, you cherry picked and assumed.

Do you know me 420 ?  Or are you seriously asking me ?  What I dont like is pompous types.....such as you.
I really dont like full of piss and fire types who think they are better than everyone else.

Me ??  Im a simple guy, with a simple life.
Im also a conservative, and have not a touch of envy or jealousy in my soul.
Im a content individual.....so trust me, good luck to you.

YOU are the one who spouted off your resume.  Im just filling it in when I feel it appropriate.

If you REALLY want to know who and what I am, I will gladly tell you.  MAYbe.  just maybe, we can get off to another step.
As you wrote in another thread, you are shocked I can admit a mistake and apologize.
Why the shock ?  How can you POSSIBLY be surprised to see me write an apology?   you dont know me.

21 year old, vs. my worldly knowledge ??  Yea, I got you there.

middle aged.....damn...yea I guess thats me.   hehe.  Not 14 though....know.  I actually thought that was you.....initially.
Im 44 years old.  I run marathons, and Tri-Atholons.  I love backing packing into the woods for a weekend w/just what I can carry in w/a group of course.   Just didnt want you to think I was an old softy, w/ a big gut.....

Have I left the country...hehe....you really want to know ?

tell me ?  have you finished your degree in law ??  started your graduate work yet ??  what area of law ?? 
Any intern work yet in your area of work ?
paralegal work in the summer ??

What is your minor in ??

More that is what he has told us has happened...

BW hates the fact that there are people out there smarter than him and people who think differently... BW is a true american in the sense he thinks of himself and himself only... what is best for me...

> You_Fool wrote:

> BW is a true american in the sense he thinks of himself and himself only... what is best for me...>

So do you and every person on the planet.

@ 420  you see ?  There is a person there.

Actually, in my pointed and blunt way, I was giving you sound advice.....you got off to a very bad start.
It was not I.  but, I think you are learning.

I do have an interest in your education.  Im not a fan at all of acedemia....that is for sure.
But, I have a double major.  Economics (Micro) and History (western, and economic history w/a focus on the economics of slavery).

I have been to quite few places myself.  6 years in the military, a Gulf War I vet with the 2nd ACR.  Mech Infantry.
Im a small business owner, father of two very smart children .... thank God, because my wife and I are Constantly on our children to over achieve.

No silver spoon here.  No trust funds.  hard work since I was a young teen, a tough life on the streets of Brooklyn, Avoided a bad life by going to the military,....saved the GI bill, got out, worked my ass off through college.  Met my wife in my Junior year, had my first child soon there after.

I have worked hard for why I have,....and am sorry to see my country slip into a Euro-Style socialist state of stagnation and slip farther away from our Judeo-Christian core that is the basis of our country.

Truthfully, I dont like slip and fall attorneys.  I hope you are more of the corporate type.
I figure...maybe....w/the language skills, you might be going that way ?

"More that is what he has told us has happened..."

how do you know i wasnt there with him?

What I dont understand is.....if you dont have corporations, what generate the commerce ?
Do you believe in a strong central Govt. at the Federal level, administering, or lesser so deep and strict regulation to control ?

Against he corporations......I dont get that.....from a student of history and law.

If A corp breaks the law (Enron, World Comm) they deserve to get crushed.

If a corp makes a profit, for its publicly held share holders ( Exxon-Mobile, Microsoft)......why is this so evil ?
I dont get it....from a learned individual in those two areas.

i believe that, in practice, a small government is the best, people should be left to their own devices.  problem is, when left to their own devices people usually just screw things up.  And in the same vein, corporations can be a wonderful thing when done correctly, but because of human greed, they do more harm than good.  at the beginning of their lives corporations were a group of people that got together to do something for the common good such as build a bridge, provide clean water, etc.  the group was then disbanded and that was that, it had done its good for society, no buying other corporations, no stock, no representation in court.  i dislike corporations now because they're giant behemoths that dont care one bit about you or yours, not at all.  i'm all for human progress, but when it is at the expense of the planet that gave us life to begin with, and that provides the forests that you and i both enjoy so much, then i have no time for it.  if corporations dont care about you and yours, then they certainly dont care about the planet that makes things like human beings, trees, animals, bugs, etc possible.  if what you're after is material gain in your lifetime and that's it, then yeah, corporations are the way to go: more, faster, cheaper better.  me, i care more about the human race as well as all the other incredibly diverse lifeforms found on our planet and i would never give those things up just for short term material gain and a bunch of "stuff" that i could (and do) go without.  and those "publicly held shares" are concentrated in an extremely tiny percentage of people, the disparity is amazing.  when over 3/4 of the stocks on wallstreet are owned by less than 1% of the population, thats not benefiting you and me, thats benefiting the ultra rich so they can get even more ultra rich.

the problem is not that corporations are inherently greedy; the problem is with the number of companies across the world, its damn near impossible to find great men to lead each of them. So instead you get these greedy people that grew up spoiled because their dad was incredibly successful and are extremely materialistic, shallow, and incompetent making stupid decisions that negatively affect all of us, even themselves.

small businesses cannot do just a good a job as the big guys; a small company cannot supply goods as well as Walmart.

(i feel like a dick always disagreeing with you)

what goods can they not supply as well? junk.  if you really think about it its just crap that walmart is providing you with.  so in that case, yes, small business probably cannot keep me as awash in useless, cheap, chintzy crap as walmart.....oh well.  small business can provide me with food, some luxury goods, etc.  the problem is always that people want a bunch of stuff. stuff stuff stuff, thats the name of the game.  so if you're arguing for those people i'm afraid i can never win.  i'll say, "hey, why dont you get rid of 6 of your 7 sit-n-spins" and they'll say "hell no, theres a new model coming out and i want to have them all"

what can you say to that?