Re: What is Libertarianism?
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Sodomy: Usually defined as penetration of the mouth or anus.
Means when sodomy is banned, it means all penetrations of those sites are banned/illegal. Usually, the law is intended to limit homosexual activity. But, it also limits heterosexual activities.
It is usuallly not limited to just the penis as the object used. It also includes vibrators, dildos, and fingers.
Eh, so you cant get a blowjob from your (consenting adult, mentally competent) wife without violating the law? You cant have anal sex with her, even if she loves it? you cant let her suck on your finger? Or finger her anus, while you have sex?
Jeese get the gov outa our bedrooms.
yeah, you addressed it by comparing us to animals and if its ok to do to animals, its ok to do to humans...
Well, I did not suggest breeding experiments on humans. Nor did I say such was ok. I DID say: we breed animals for specific traits, using incestuous methods, with out bad effects. You are taking one sentence of a post, out of context.
I was saying, the genetic argument against incest is totally spurious. The results of an incestuous relationship is about the same as the results of a random relationship. Tays syndrom and Sickle Cell anemia are not the results of inbreeding. Downs syndrom does not come from incest either. Nor hydrocephalus.
> A10 wrote:
> Libertarians are (in the US anyways) near anarchists. They oppose all government programs except for a small military. This means no CIA no FBI and very very very relaxed laws that don't limit people (like legalizing pot) etc . . .
Eh, I disagree. Libertarians see the need for some government. Anarchist see the need for NO government.
yeah, you addressed it by comparing us to animals and if its ok to do to animals, its ok to do to humans...
Well, I did not suggest breeding experiments on humans. Nor did I say such was ok. I DID say: we breed animals for specific traits, using incestuous methods, with out bad effects. You are taking one sentence of a post, out of context.
I was saying, the genetic argument against incest is totally spurious. The results of an incestuous relationship is about the same as the results of a random relationship. Tays syndrom and Sickle Cell anemia are not the results of inbreeding. Downs syndrom does not come from incest either. Nor hydrocephalus.
libertarisimsitsismers are anachists without balls.... if you are going to drop some laws because the govt shouldn't play nanny, why not drop them all??
Hummy you seem to have a weird view of animal husbandry, to get good traits you breed two animals with the smae trait who are not closely related or else you start getting defects. It is one of the more complicated requirements of a farm is to work out which male can go in what heard of females....
"he results of an incestuous relationship is about the same as the results of a random relationship."
source?
I see that you're still getting stupid posts after correcting a democrat/socialist who called himself a libertarian. ![]()
No need to correct the first line of You_Fool's post. It's too dumb.
> V.Kemp wrote:
> I see that you're still getting stupid posts after correcting a democrat/socialist who called himself a libertarian. ![]()
No need to correct the first line of You_Fool's post. It's too dumb.
yep; you_fool is just making himself look like a moron; not noticing the difference between not allowing someone to kill someone else, and not letting someone smoke pot.
and what is the difference? Why is one law higher than any other? What makes you so enlightened that you can say "this law here is ok, but this one is not?"
In any case (ignoring my own post in moving on) who is to sawy that without a govt there would eb no laws? If killing someone is so inherantly wrong that we need a law against it passed down from the "government" why can we not support such laws qithout being told about it from above?
Libertarians seem to think government is bad and that people can run their own lives, excpet for some places where its important that government steps in... why? IF government is too inefficent to run schools/hospitals/whatever why is it efficient enough to run a miltary/policeforce/whatever?
Of course ii asm being a little biased as i am used to more right wing libertarians than left wing ones...
"IF government is too inefficent to run schools/hospitals/whatever why is it efficient enough to run a miltary/policeforce/whatever?"
its not efficient for the government to run military and police but efficiency isnt what libertarians are promoting. freedom is what libertarians promote. libertarians promote freedom to do anything that doesnt limit other people's freedoms.
As I say I ma too used to right wing libertarians who claim efficiency as their arguments for their views...
In any case you didn't answer the question - why do we need government to tell us what laws are required and which are not? Why can we not decide that ourselves? The idea of the court system is to be tried by your peers anyway, so why do they need to be told what is right and wrong, why can they not listen to both sides and decide who is in the right and who is in the wrong...
> You_Fool wrote:
>" libertarisimsitsismers are anachists without balls.... if you are going to drop some laws because the govt shouldn't play nanny, why not drop them all??
Hummy you seem to have a weird view of animal husbandry, to get good traits you breed two animals with the smae trait who are not closely related or else you start getting defects. It is one of the more complicated requirements of a farm is to work out which male can go in what heard of females...."
Ehhehehe. You dont see.
"libertarisimsitsismers are anachists without balls.... if you are going to drop some laws because the govt shouldn't play nanny, why not drop them all??"
Geeze. Anarchist want NO laws or government. Libertarians was some laws and a tiny government to enforce em. The difference is some laws are good, and we need somone to enforce em.
As to breeding: you breed any two animals with the trait you want. Regardless of how closely related. Defects only occur when there are defective genes, that combine and reinforce. I say you are more focused on societies bans, and not on science.
Maybe we raise our animals a little different here.... Inbreeding doesn't bring out good traits in the long run...
It's possible for government to be efficient, as long as the services it provides are kept to a minimum. It's like a small business vs a large business, the larger you are the harder it is to be efficient.
> You_Fool wrote:
> As I say I ma too used to right wing libertarians who claim efficiency as their arguments for their views...
In any case you didn't answer the question - why do we need government to tell us what laws are required and which are not? Why can we not decide that ourselves? The idea of the court system is to be tried by your peers anyway, so why do they need to be told what is right and wrong, why can they not listen to both sides and decide who is in the right and who is in the wrong...
Hehe, You Fool, you are a closet libertarian. YES! Why must we be told what laws are required? WHY CAN'T we decide for ourselves?
I am a full fledged anachist
"In any case you didn't answer the question - why do we need government to tell us what laws are required and which are not? Why can we not decide that ourselves? The idea of the court system is to be tried by your peers anyway, so why do they need to be told what is right and wrong, why can they not listen to both sides and decide who is in the right and who is in the wrong..."
first of all, i answered the question i quoted. 2nd how are they gonna pick who to be tried if you dont have police to investigate and arrest? 3rd laws provide a guideline. if there were no laws how would people get arrested and how would you know what not to do inorder to avoid getting arrested?
For the love of Christ guys, stop responding to You_Fool until he goes to AT LEAST middle school. If I quoted Jefferson right now he'd shit his pants because he's never even heard that before.
And You_Fool, you should really wait until you get your GED before you describe yourself as an anarchist, which it's very evident you know nothing about. ![]()
Lol
oh kemp kemp kemp, who cares? I mean really do you think I give a damn?
You are right I have never gone to middle school or got my GED... but then I am not American or whatever the hell you think I am so it doesn't matter...
An anarchist is simply someone who doesn't beleive in government... I believe that society would better if there was no government....
In your country, you are as respected for picking up lard as an educated person?
Say what you want, that's why you are not in charge.
Though I'm sure they tell you you are very valuable, you are appreciated. I'm glad that's enough to make you feel warm inside. But it doesn't make for an educated voice.
Short answer: libertarianism means different things to different people.
The right mean one thing, the left something else, there is no agreed political definition.
It was a used by left wing anarchist groups who in order to avoid anti anarchist laws, started calling themselves libertarians instead.
kemp, you speak as if you have a brain, but I see you don't... it is a pity.... but meh...
Naw Kemp is pretty intelligent, but he's extremely arrogant and verbally abusive.
Selur,
I think you may be right. Libertarianism seems to have a broad diversity of ideas, with only a few essential characteristics to define it.
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