CF money though it may not make as much money, it's more 'consistent' and slightly less vulnerable.

Pop Banking relies heavily on either someone producing food for you or on the market. if you're relying on food from the market is at about 0.25-0.4 you're not making much money then are you, because you're spending anywhere from 1/3-1/2 of the money your making on food.

With pop banking, you're also going to want to 'maximize' production, so you're not going to want to build research centres, as they're interfere with your to %. However, you still want that tasty econ bonus, so you'll be investing X amount of money into your research, most people do about 2-4 ticks of their daily income.

Plus, you're highly vulnerable to ops, such as hypnotize and e storms as well as nukes. That will destroy your pop base and ruin your income. Whereas, CF baking is only vulnerable to nukes.

So, in reality, though you may be making more money, you're also spending more. Since you're a banker, it's your bottom line that counts. So, With CF banking you're not worried about any building percentages, so you can build RC's and Hydro's for some food. Since, you're not spending your money on anything, your bottom line is larger than pop banking.

how are you supposed to get more skill into it then? overnight? ffs, anyone can try, they wont win the first time, not the second time but the thrid time you will get it just right and forever be marked a target to people that know you .

Nah, the reason I say it's better is because it's the safest and easiest to protect. Pop banking is about how much space and population you have. It produces the most but can be a hassle to manage. Whether it be food prices or ops or nukes or raids. Pop banking is dangerous =p

But sooooooo needed for a big fam

Night - our pop banker was 700% ob on 220 planets and making 27m net  after food

So lets halve the buildings, and triple the planets.... that would put him at 50m, conservatively

like i said if your active pop is good... if your not then CF is best.... lazy pieces of crap.

Imperial - he was at 20m+ half way through the round and never got opped

Meaning he was even further ahead of said cf bankers

lol. granted that's a simulation, but it seems pretty definitive

100% CFs! <3

Size has advantages indeed. You need a relatively low unit count for defence, but in absolute terms this force is huge. But there are limits. Empire size has a very big effect. In general the additional cost of size is times NW/(1,000,000). Meaning at 7 Mill NW you get a 700% penalty on top of your already high OB%. Getting your pop banker at 200 - 250 planets and 100 - 150 Mill pop is fairly easy. But doubling his infra would cost atleast 1300 Mill GC and 150Mill iron at that time, even when you hyno him down for a jump. Even top fams will need over a week to produce this much and will only consider it when all other players are maxed maxed out i think. More beneficial to start war imho Above 300 planets makes it very hard to get your POP banker high on infra.

To overcome the size penalty it's best to do cf banking. Get a 2 low planet / low NW camaar players with high research and let them raid the cf banker 200 planets.  Built before NW kicks in (no size penalty, high research). When built the cf banker retakes. When doing pop the pop dies.