Topic: The Presidential Debate III

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First question, both candidates avoid answering it... Why is the plan better than the other? Bah, "here is my plan".

Grrr...

Lots of "we agree", "me and senator McCain" from Obama, obviously trying to kill the potential animosity.

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They're talking, they're talking! To each other! Turn your TV on!

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Talking...to each other. Never sad

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5 (edited by Theodora 16-Oct-2008 03:14:38)

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I find myself looking at the approval line at the bottom more than listening to the actual words. They don't have approval lines here in Canada (at least not that I've seen). What a stupid idea. Obama just went up to 100% though with Ohio voters with regards to abortion.

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That's almost finished... McCain very strong and surprising at the start, victim of the clock in the end. As time went by, he looked more and more cynical and agressive without hitting it anymore. Obama, after a weak start probably shaked a bit by McCain's efficiency, was another all-round quiet assurance show. Missed countless opportunities to be classy.

All in all, won't be a big changer though McCain, without winning the debate, gained more recognition probably. Might get a couple of points.

At least there was some action.

Or at least that's my take tongue

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Sen. McCain has FINALLY come out with a knock out punch.....but, I hope there is still time on the clock.

THIS is an absolute ass kicking on Obama, and he will take a hit in the polls.


COMPLETELY off balance on:
Taxes
NAFTA
Gov. Spending

McCain even got him to EXPLAIN HIS position on Aires and his connections with ACORN.
McCain got him to look like a FOOL trying to explain his position on Health care.

When talking about "Joe the Plumber"  and his taxes, Obama says that, him and his friend Warren Buffet can afford more taxes.....
McCain counter, "I thought we were speaking about 'Joe the Plumber'".......BRILLIANT.


I think McCain caught Obama COMPLETELY off balance,
Unlike Debates I & II, McCain did not avoid direct confrontation, and he looked OBAMA in the eye.
He took him on .....

Im wondering...was this all a ploy ?  To save the direct attacking debate for this time ??

He called Obama on the mat on:
Not discussing or negotiating about taking only public funding.....Obama said he would, then passed on it for private funding.
Not having more town halls....only the three debates.

I think here.....McCain slammed OBAMA big time.
Obama looked uncomfortable, and off balance.

McCain took TOTAL control of this debate.
Hands down winner.

Because of this slam, I really give the edge to McCain on the debates.
He closed strong, and he looked like a leader
He talked w/Passion and conviction.  He attacked his foe, and he controlled the flow.

Come .......joust w/the master.
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everyone's talking about mccain winning in the start

WTF? tongue i didn't watch the start, i watched the last 20 or so minutes X(

but i'll take GOLK'S word for it tongue, debates barely ever change elections

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Well, watch the start if you want to see a powerful McCain destroying a timid Obama... This goes for a while till the Ayer's point.

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The first black president of the United States, better recognize.

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"more money, or reform?"

"both"

what a nub

"control costs, or expand coverage?"

"both"

yeah why didn't we think of that?  Idiot.

new federal agency, will do new chores like regulate insurance operations federally...but we'll cut costs and reduce bureaucracy? what a poser.  US federal bureacracies can write their own rules, invent their own procedures...congress doesn't draft their operations manuals...

McCain FINALLY asked him why Govt is always the answer...

Obama, ultraleft and very nooby, Biden one of our great statesmen...HA

I have to think that Obama has lasted this long because he lucked out, he got to run against McCain

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The full tragedy is that, with the best McCain debate so far and an edge for him (stronger first part win than Obama's second part win), it will come down to perceptions... again.

As I see it, Obama just used more time to look "more presidential to more people" while McCain will pay his silent attitude and reactions.

We'll see how it translates in days to come.

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the tragedy is that Obama is going to become president. too little too late. if he had done this first debate, maybe he would still have a chance, but unless the economy starts booming and/or serious foreign threat arises; he doesnt have a chance in hell.

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America wants Obama smile

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It should be "Senator Obama and I"

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why the goverment is the answer?

well look what is happening just right now... financial sector is in big shit and only one who can help is the state...
how they are all crying for money from the state now.
specially those who had been so much for more freedoms for the financial sector.

the State should have a certain ammount of influence because the state in the end is the one who saves people asses.
In a democracy as we live in the state represents the people.. in a democracy the power shall be by the people.. so the power and controle should be with the state since they are our representatives.

I feel better when my country is run by a maybe inefficient goverment then by selfish bankers who dont care to take the saving of millions of people into oblivion for their own personal profits.

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Financial sector ?
Amazing how the banking committees of US House and Senate can crumble the entire world banking system.....but they did.
US Liberal Congress has a HUGE position in this.

Medicaid is a shambles.
Medicare is completely over budget.
Social Security (Retirment Govt. run Pension) is bankrupt.

Yet, we Americans are going to let GOVT. run health Care ?
unreal.

@ Schniep....bankers dont run health care.
And, I can say w/o doubt.....Socialists PERMEATE Academia and the Media(for the most part).

Socialists love big govt.

I cant understand how a govt. weenie can run health care, education, banking....etc.

Is it any wonder that any GOVT. funded, so called "Free" or "public" broadcasting is a leftist bastion of socialism ?

Come .......joust w/the master.
I'm always Right.   You are just intellectually Left.....behind.
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BW

I am not going to argue about healthcare with you again hehe.. we had that too much allready.
I dont know and honestlly dont care what kind of healthcare obama wants to do when he gets elected.
I can only talk about German and some other similar European Systems and there it is not true that some goverment weanie is running healthcare.
Also no goverment weanie is running education. goverment is only making sure some standarts are fullfilled and some universities are fudned by public budget.

I get the feeling when you hear about a public healthcare or education or whatever.. that you have to think about super extrem soviet style systems. but BW please. no one wants that.. and no country in the western world is doing it.

In the end.. again.. it all depends on the point of view....
you say everyone should take care for himself.
I say.. everyone should at least have the chance to take care of himself.

For you efficiency may be the highest gift... for me.. i can live with a lil less efficiency if it makes a good life available for many more people.

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@Schniep

I think, you in Europe, specifically you in Germany....dont realize this.

The US System HAS in place a Public, Govt. run health Care system for the poor, the working poor, retired people and most importantly the mentally and physically ill and handicapped.  There are many run private funded help organizations and govt. programs for catastrophic care.
ILLEGALS are not turned away in US hospitals. 

Do you all think US Citizens are ??  Please.  Its a fallacy.

The US also has public Education, Govt. run, through Graduate school.
There are many Alumni run, state run, and privately run scholarship programs.

ILLEGAL Alien Children get a publicly funded education.
Do you really think there is no PUBLIC Education for US born Children ??

Schneip.....we in America are slowly slipping into a socialist state of Euro-style stagnation.

Its about 50/50 now.  So, there are many that think like you.....and its a fight.

I, as a small business man, dont feel because I worked my ASS off, w/o Govt. help, w/o a "Rich" daddy to fund me, w/o a college education funded by the Govt. ( I paid for mine.)   w/o a govt. hand out....did just fine for myself.

Schiep ??

Socialism keeps the little guy from making a mark in life. 
You in Europe are happy with a 35hr, so/so comfortable, Govt. mandated:
Education, health care, housing, vacations.......and a mandated work week ?

You have no drive or desire to one day run your own company ? 
Provide a good or a service to people ? 
Employ your own group of workers that YOU can personally see that they are living a comfortable life ??

You need the Govt to do this to you, by taxing a heavy burden on your industry ? 

I dont see it.  Sorry, I dont.



Why do I need to pass my hard earned wealth to the Govt ?   Its a serious and valid question.

I donate to charities that help people MUCH MORE efficiently than Govt.
I want to Retire early and comfortably, and pass my hard earned wealth onto my children and grand-Children.

Isnt that valid ?

Come .......joust w/the master.
I'm always Right.   You are just intellectually Left.....behind.
Individual patriot, and a REAGAN Conservative.

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Another debate goes obamas way

That's 3-0 now

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blackwing..
in the same way i may not understand you have social healthcare and such for your citizens allready...
you do not understand that if i feel like starting my own buisness no one here will stop me.
goverment is very very friendly to buisness starters.. relieve u in taxes for the beginning and so on.
but personally i do not have that drive no. i simply do not like having too much responsibility because i know i am a very clumsy and sometimes careless person.
but, be assured.. if i ever feel like i want to start my own software development company.. i do not have to move to the US to do so.. i can do here.

also the 35hrs week is a 40hrs week.. and its only normal for the "typicall employee"
If you do your own buisness you will most likely have to work way more.

I have no doubt you were easily able to achive all what you stated above.. you appear to be an intelligent smart being.. but thats just not the case for everyone...
also.. not everyone can start his own buisness.

i would go on posting now.. but since i am a simple employee... my 8 hrs work for today are over and i am looking forward for a lovely relaxing evening.

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hahahahha, blackwing said "euro style stagnation" did anyone else catch that? i agree with shneip that he probably is intelligent enough, he just also happens to be dyed in the wool. sad state of affairs.

> Justinian I wrote:
> Ouro,
Even though you were the first one to arrive at the scene who clearly pwned Einstein and showed how biased he is, you are an outright arsehole.

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Paulson has said right out that in working with the G20 we are trying not to take "unfair advantage"

=we agree to subsidize socialist europe

That is the whole point of WTO and kyoto, to prohibit the US private sector from destroying socialist states in europe. The only reason.

And now "Republicans" make that policy.

YES stagnation, we arent even CLOSE to eurozone umemployment and interest rates and the man in the street is hollering "Depression!!!"

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Yell, if you now call european systems stagnating you are not knowing what you talk about.
socieal market politics here started right after ww2... now take a look for (sorry again) germany... look at what happened here from 1950-1980. if that was stagnation i have no idea what progress is.

unemployment is going down big time here since we decided to calculate our unemployment rate in the anglosaxian way.
well following this crisis now it will most like go back up again though.

you may not be even close to our unemployment rates.. we are not even close to the ammount of people living below poverty line.

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agree with schniepel, all your saying, Mr Yell, is that you have no idea what you're talking about, you're parroting what you hear on the news, or read in the NY Post.  Please get your hands one some real information about things like GDP, annual growth, worker productivity and things of that nature.  Perhaps then you will be able to see more clearly exactly whats going on, and not just be a parrot.  My grandfather always used to say that those who yell to make their points are simply trying to make for a total lack of any points at all, just by being louder.  Too bad the educated and literate know better.

> Justinian I wrote:
> Ouro,
Even though you were the first one to arrive at the scene who clearly pwned Einstein and showed how biased he is, you are an outright arsehole.