Nai, you need to 'port' your race to this story. And not just have a carbon copy

And bloodmoon forgot a part

"Do not resist, all your biological and technological capabilities will be assimilated. Resistance is futile"

Then don't bring in the whole lot. That would just be bullshit.

I mentioned in my post that this cube is cut off from the main Collective. As of right now, it is really the only presence of its kind in this universe. I'm not calling on the entire Collective (that would, IMHO, overshadow everything else in the plot), so there's no reason to call on the rest of the Scion.

Species 8472 did not destroy the Borg. Voyager gave the Borg the necessary data to successfully assimilate members of Species 8472. The most significant blow to the Borg Collective, in the Star Trek universe, was dealt by Kathryn Janeway working with her future self, and it is not established that the destruction thusly wrought extended across the entire Collective.

We've lived with twelve Dreamweavers, so it should not be a stretch at all to live with one cube. Am I right?

Salamandastron, My issue isnt the borg.. it's that the borg are here..

Just deal with it, you have more issues to deal with.

Well, I'm gunna go with Algebra with the Borg. There is nothing wrong with adding them even if they are from something else.

Almost all of the ideas have been from other ideas. Almost all of those ARE actually other ideas from other games and stories. The Star-Gods from WH40K, Algebra's whole backstory is from a game and just ask what the races and ideas the others have gotten them from.

................"Nai... Let me ask YOU to read something. Its called the rules of this forum. They are quite simple when it comes to godmodding. I was fine with the idea of your seemingly invincible fleets, but bringing billions of them... Thats where I draw the line.

P.S. This isn't the Player Rebellion, either. At the same time, it's not star trek, but there is a VERY large difference between one cube and 'hundreds of billions' of Scion.".............

I agree with Sala. But I actually drew the line right at the seemingly invincible.

Again, there are 15 Dreamweaver, and a Scion. We've converted colony planets and outposts (totalling roughly 270ish) which about half have the defense ring, and from those planets they have built 9 scion cruisers, which are purely defensive. The Scion (Nai) is on a world, far removed and influences it with one of this dreamweavers, who basically fight a clandestine war against the bugs, which basically feed of your races. The only attacks were on acid rain facilities and equipped warships where you guys were basically killing each other with. The only major effect the Scion have taken on your races is the dampening of communications, which only 1 on you really embraced into their stories. The rest of you just wrote your way around it, so I modified the Scion plan to compensate for that. I rewrote the Earth bit, which, having read up more on it was due to a misunderstanding.

You wipe out planets in minutes, we can't even completely protect your fleets from bugs, such as in the story where your first introduced to the Scion World Rings. So, omg, I'm sorry, where is the God Modding?

And now you ok the Borg? Fine. But if that's what you want, one ship won't constitue the Scion fleets in the manner I explained.. but a major universe full of em would. So there is your the balance.

To retort your comment:

1. Invincible? Read the PR thread. There are even ways to kill Scion. I've given you guys hints and all sort of things to "get a clue". The pilars on the Scion gift world for one have alots of information. None of you went to investigate it. I tried to give you the chances. None of you have tried to make contact with the "darkones/bugs" just assumed they were mindless or something.. I've tried to show you there is an intelligence behind it an a, for a lack of a better choice of language, a "fallen-scion" involved. So hints, for goodness sakes, I've been dropping lots of hints.

2. The communication blockage was to add to the story, it was dropped due to you guys making write arounds. All it took was a mere 2 posts before it was ignored so I could create more to the story..

3. (see 1 for more clues)

4. I have 15 dream weavers, and 1 Scion. You have empires, fleets and massive resources.

Guys don't you see the potential? Dont you want the Scion and the story arc I have brought you, the challenge they pose, the potential of something unknown, with references and source materials from the PR thread. Come on now, this is role play. I am taken extensive pains to not be God mode. Your rolling over and playing possum.. no one has stood up to challenge us. Perhaps you just want your massive story arcs to go fight this or that, and oyu saving the day.. where are the hero's and heroines in that?

I am challenging you to raise the bar. Not cuz I'm wanting to gloat. We've got lots of time to write this story.. Yeah, you ran into a super race. So.. what are you gonna go.. whine about it? fight it? Befriend it? But you gotta understand..

Bottom line, I have not god moded crap. All I have done is pose to you something youre gonna have to be creative. I didn't expect the borg to be your creative juice. I just expected more.

Good. Should be fun!

As and far as teh galaxy wide communications blockage, you would have found out, but with the write arounds, I never got to tell you. Maybe one of you could write about a science team working to understand it... I tried to you guys guys a kick off to just such a thing with the tribunal.. I has to do with wave forms and quantum theory, and I'll point out the clue to get you started, archaic sound technology for non-energy based works, where other forms did not.

You are creating blocks of your story that are too big to properly write with.

We have massive empires because for one, Two of our number have been here from the beggining. We created our empires through three different stories. Everyone else started from midway through number two. There is plenty of backstory as to why we have empires and fleets and big guns that can do alot. We spent years writing this stuff. We spent years creating this galaxy.

YOU Nai, joined near the beggining of THIS story, the THIRD story. You joined with your 15 creatures and your main character. You joined and instantly tried to connect EVERYTHING to the Scion.

Our stories have crossed paths but never have we had to ask the others to "Just bear with it, I'll explain when your all under my control."

I'm sick of it, and I was from the beggining. Use your own characters to interact and tell your stories through your own means, without trying to take even a small amount of control over other characters or you can stop participating.

No more fleets that can't be beaten. And no more 'hints' at ways we can. If you want something that seems like that, you make sure we know of those ways BEFORE you bring it in. If we agree then it will work, and you will have the story to tell.

In short, ask first instead of doing.

Fenris, get off your high horse.

No more fleets that can't be beaten. (Your natives, and the spanish came along. /scarsatic OMG, GAME OVER end the story now. Maybe you should go talk to the French or English?)

And no more 'hints' at ways we can. (My hints have been about as subtle as a shover over the forehead.)

If you want something that seems like that, you make sure we know of those ways BEFORE you bring it in. (Note the tribunal, the pilars, the PR thread... yes, such subtle hints.)

If we agree then it will work, and you will have the story to tell. (Well I dont agree with the Borg into the story and you've basically told me to stick it.. So, I've conceeded on that cuz sala has asked me to.)

So Fenris..

1. Yout want my fleets to be capable of being destroyed.. go talk to the dark ones/bugs.. after 14 billion years of war, you think they might know how? And since you want to discuss it so we all are happily agreed, lets make sure in this forum we all agree it appropriate. In short, ask first instead of doing, right?.

2. This is the pivotal dichotomy of what is at heart here. Your statement "In short, ask first instead of doing" the follow what I preach, not what I do. I get the impression that your just telling me to stuff it. And if that's the case, I'll just hold you to the same litmus you want to hold me to. (Must I remind you I made a massive re-write of a post I made so you could have Logan have a messianic sort of death.)

Arcalex..

To quote you "And such but once you try to lead the roleplay as if you own it you go too far"... that is exactly what I was referring to in #2 to fenris. In addition, I am not some "out to get you guys" race. The interactions I've had with you guys involve very real world senarios: religion (Children of the Creators), just wars (destruction of the acid Rain), ivory towers (Nia's interacting through dream weavers/others) and lastly an axis of evil (the Darkones) etc...

And it's intereacting. Jeordan was left floating in space.. and the thought in the OOC thread was "do what you want, I'm not sure what to do with him." Now his story is progressing.

The acid rain was presented in a similar manner as a Dr. Strangelove sort of question to the use of nuclear weapons (which I thought was brilliant on your part). So the juxtaposition of that choice with someone's conscience, ie Nai's choice to have the dreamweavers attack those using it, was sort of manifestation of a "real" consequence to a moral choice.

ps. Yes.. this is the level of thought I put into my posts... So when I say I have taken great pains not to be "God moding".. You can see from above, I am true to my word. Again, if I am guilty of any but of god mode-ing here, it's that I offered you guys a challenge. Where is the probelm in that?