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and my opinion about it - yeah, it is good that neither one of the candidates will let it veer off too much, now that both exchange 'respeKt' between each other. But this negative campaigning is causing more than just political advantage, it causes stuff like this. People better watch out for it.

As for Palin - yeah, she did not cross the law but she abused power. Haha, go figure. This lawyer stuff is complicated, huh? I don't know what will come out of it in the political scene.

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smiof, want video proof of that lady calling obama an arab? look at my link in my last post
really shows the STUPIDITY of some republicans, i was laughing when i watched it, but after i was just SHOCKED
i was completely shocked tongue
she was either a crackhead, or was stupider than palin tongue
and i'm afraid there are many other people like her sad

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Right, she had a valid argument to fire the guy but she enjoyed it too much I guess

I suppose Alaskan governors should strangle their siblings and their kids, like Ottoman Sultans, to avoid such troubles

Some radio show hosts were lolling that to McCain an Arab is the opposite of a family man ans a decent human being

But Barack is a traitor and surrounds himself with people who hate America, his pastor his wife and his bomber pal Ayres. Thats the fact and no election can bleach that stain. As you'll find out when blubberin Juan McCain loses, and Obama becomes the most hated President in US history.

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Well Bush is leaving with the title of Stupidest president ever, Obama will need his title too!

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remember the VP debate, the president situation is quite similar
Palin set her standards low, and she was seen as someone who did fine
Bush has set the standards of president so low, no president can ever fk it up

and you can write this down yell, if obama becomes president, he's guna be one of the most loved tongue and he doesn't even have to do anything, even if he gets elected america's respect around the world will boost smile

obamarama!

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You'll find out...

"Global respect" = $$$

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/me bows down to global respekt

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i dunno, i am just not convinced "beyond sufficient level of doubt" that Obama is a US-hating person. He might not be happy with some aspects, but hey - I expect better from the USA.
And this Ayers and pastors issues - first, I have to explain what I mean by the "beyond sufficient level of doubt." If associations like this appear, they should be checked. But it is  forming an idea, a hypothesis, it is not yet a verified fact. It is just something to check. It is not "proven," like for example the second law of thermodynamics is. 

You will probably say - "but the PRESIDENT is so important that we cannot rely on someone that we have not seen do his work in practice. It is not that we can allow someone before we have checked every single thing!" I agree - but what can we do? Obama was not even supposed to be running for president this year! The original plan was to prepare him for 2012, or so I heard. But he could sway so many people that plans changed. There are not many good-speakers that are in the politics - and I have not followed politics closely enough, but there did not seem to be any other candidates that passed the test. (maaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe Hillary, but she was sniped in Sarajevo and was carrying a lot of wounds from that battle.) My point is - the democratic party had to try him out, he did not have a good competition.

Or maybe he did have some competition within the party - but I have not followed politics to really know. But now he became a political machine - he's from Harvard after all. Which brings me to the second point - maybe these associations have another dimension too, that of the political thought he'd use.

I saw this argument on several different articles. A few of them were from news.google's searches and a few from Glenn Beck. The story goes that he just used going to Wright's church as a political leverage within Chicago. After he left Chicago and Wright was causing him trouble - "he went down the drain." Hmmm, I kinda expect that from a Harvard alum - with some people in mind. Back to the story though - could it be that Wright's connection was just a political gimmick while he was in Chicago?

I don't know about your feelings toward political gimmicks but this one might show he is simply not naive. I do not know for sure - and I would not search the facts to substantiate my suggestion further, as I simply would not bother. But these gimmicks, I believe, work better when meeting people like Putin.

My post goes from what is a "proven" fact, to his quick rise within the last 2 years and I put one other explanation of his association with Wright. That's a lot. But either way, I would like to see more stories about this guy - and I wonder how would vetting people work better. I don't think the claims that he is consciously seeking "ex-terrorists friendship" carry any meaning though. The guy seems fine so far.


That said - yes, he has to hold his hand when he hears the anthem. Yes, he should have american flags waving around. Yes, he needs more experience in the foreign field and more "hawkishness." But I think he'd do alright. I am ready to bet some money, if you wish :-)

Now, I have one question for you though - can you think of a good way to really check how the presidents are going to act? Because right now we have half-told stories and I don't think that is enough. We have the debates and the the whole media flapping around and that seems to work ok; but should there be extra tests along the way?

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59 (edited by Smiof 12-Oct-2008 05:32:02)

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ok, to summarize my last post - let's bet on money if Obama will act. More precisely, let's bet on a 1-year subscription to [something]. If he act against US interests, you get the subscription and I'd pay. Or vice-versa.

You want to hedge your interests? You'd be happy either way :-)

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oh, and about the Palin issue - I can't find the article which said that it was not that she pushed for anything - but she did not stop her office from calling the police chief. I would not have thought that that is anything against the law.

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Sorry. If I win I might lose my fixed address or the subscription might go out of business.

I meant Global Respect = Money paid OUT, yeah if it were money coming in we'd have to look at it tongue but saying things like "the world expects American leadership on blablabla" means the world a) wants us to pay the lion's share and b) wants the US govt to prohibt and/or oppressively regulate and/or oppressively tax American free enterprise from exploiting foriegn bans,regulations and taxes. We are NOT a world community, our democracy is a fraud if the sovereign authority is an unelected global bureacracy.

I dont know what "proof" is required. Obama married a woman who spits bile at the USA, she's on video saying she wasnt proud of the USA for 30 years until Barack's campaign. Barack spent 20 years in a church where the pastor damned America, there is video of that from the Church itself, it sold that sermon. Barack sat on the board witterrorist who said in 2001 he was sorry they didnt do more, he also let Ayers host Obama fundraisers in his home with Obama attending. How many politicians would come to your home if YOU invited them.

So you say its a gimmick, Barack doesnt support these people?  Then he's unfit to be President. Heard about the con man from the former USSR who made a campaign contribution to Clinton and got a photo shaking his hand? He went back home and raised millions to build an American pipeline--he had the connections, here, look!  And thats benign compared to the kooks who will shape US policy from within. You dont hang out with people you dont know.

Its because i dont think Barack is quite that dumb that I suspect his motives. Ive walked away from churches where I didnt like the tone, and I'm Catholic.

Oh, he's a traitor for voting to lose a war and working behind the scenes to undermine the Iraq deployment agreement with Baghdad so he can lose the war as President.   Thats aid and comfort to our enemy,  Al Qaeda. It's treason.

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Yell,

Ever hear of a strategic retreat?

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Yeah, and Hitler was right, the guys who think up that one belong in a soup line.

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64 (edited by Justinian I 12-Oct-2008 19:30:51)

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Yeah, and Hitler was hardly qualified to comment on military matters. His distaste for strategic retreats lead to the annihilation of many of his forces in Russia.

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no, Hitler lost for opposing TACTICAL retreats. (edit I mean ANY and ALL)

a tactical retreat is "mr president, I can't achieve your goals at this time"

a strategic retreat is "what the hell are we here for anyhow"

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If obama wins this election, what do you think will be the end result of his presidency in the next 4 years?

67 (edited by Justinian I 12-Oct-2008 20:02:25)

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> The_Yell wrote:

> no, Hitler lost for opposing TACTICAL retreats.

a tactical retreat is "mr president, I can't achieve your goals at this time"

a strategic retreat is "what the hell are we here for anyhow">

Tactics are concerned with the operation of combat, the battlefield. Strategy is concerned with the overall means for reaching the intended military, political, and economic outcomes.

Withdrawing from Iraq is the most strategically sound decision because

1. Our forces are entangled in largely two countries. This reduces our international power, and this reduction of power has been costly to us in South America.
2. Our commitment of forces in Iraq has been financially very costly. Our annual military expenditures have soared from 300 billion in 2001 to 800 billion, most of it paid by loans.
3. We're giving the terrorists the strategic high ground. They harass our expensive troops with their unlimited supply of cheap soldiers, and they can continue this a lot longer than we can. An American soldier is expensive and difficult to replace.

We need to withdraw in order to improve our global strategic position, or the results could be catastrophic and make the terrorists even more powerful.

My recommendation is we change our military doctrine. We do not occupy, because our small and effective force is better suited for quickly moving in and then moving out. It is not nearly as good for occupation. Rather, we should generally use our airforce to level cities and villages that oppose us. It's cheaper and instills fear in to our enemies. It works too (Saddam Hussein vs the Kurds).

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[duplicate post--blackberry needs a holster]

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@The_Yell

Amen on that. wink

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It does not matter since America is ruled by an elite. Somehow the elite have favored Obama to some degree, and he doesn't have the power to act independently of their interests. If he does, they can easily remove him.

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they won't be happy until:


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you're sowing hatred and division!!!!  big_smile good for yu!

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lol

thats the fam pic for a fam in capri.i just hope that they dont mind me using it here.but,it kinda aplies to  the obama topic here.
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Are you old enough to play this game bustyourchops?

If you think obama is a communist then you have the mental age of a 5 year-old.

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obama is not a communist in any way.

At the end of the day, there's only a vote for Obama or a vote for McCain. And for some reason, McCain's campaign is a lot closer to a communist campaign than Obama's.

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