cuz we're aware of how politics works...
to win a debate, your opponent needs to loose
no one lost in this debate, you can't win a debate where the other person dosn't loose

meaning, the other person has to mess up, mostly ..mess up big time for you to win
because a win without a person's loss strictly in debates can be argued either way

catch me?

let's put it this way
niether said anything new,
obama connected mccain with bush really well
mccain portrayed obama as the new guy

what else is new?

Huh? Glad said he'd promote Obama right or wrong and he's a foriegner

BTW
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=hae5tTfQfMw
i think from obama 4:44 - 6:20 was effective

more importantly this should grab some media atleast: 5:30 - 6:00

@ Glad

You are unbiased ??  ROFL.  You are the flip side of Einstein.

@ SpiderManBearPig...(ROFL, great episode)  quick, eat the loot.

why judge ?  Who are you ?
You can say the same about Gladiator....but you dont.

Guess I see through you,
I see your true colors.
Because inside your ugly.

hmmmm

lol, wouldn't that cost them every last bit of credibility?

Anyways, just watched the debate. Both did well imo. Nobody slipped up. I agree with Obama's views more but believe this was a tie.

Something struck me though, there were several occasions where accusations would be made (mostly from McCain directed at Obama) that were told to be false by the other person. Imo this stuff is important, because that means that one of the candidates isn't telling the truth or at least bending it.

As to the poll, CNN says the poll is biased vs Obama since more Democrats than Republicans were viewing and the poll was held amongst viewers. So basically the poll is useless.

@vissertje

It's not useless, it pretty much shows who is actively watching and gives an idea of what to expect for the voting turnout. Polls aren't meant to really be taken as something....what's the word I'm looking for...concrete. But if the people who were watching say that Obama won, then he won as they were debating for the people who were watching. Not the people who weren't watching. Plenty of democrats and republicans have switched sides in this election so it's not really accurate to say there was a bias involved.

I was actually going to give McCain some thought till I researched and found that he did in fact vote 90% with Bush and 77% was the lowest in a year that he voted with Bush.

Yeah....like I really want to get another Bush in office:p

@ Spider....oh, ok.  I will take your word on it.

wrong on your assessment of the poll.
Your flaw is 2 fold.

1.  its the poll of viewers who watched the debate on CNN.  This is not the poll of all who watched the debate.
FOX had the highest ratings for both Conventions, is the highest rated news Network,

So, I would assume, most watched the debate on FOX.

2.  90% voting record w/the President.
going against the President, who is in your party, 10% of the time, is pretty Significant.

McCain went against the President on this BAIL OUT bill,  .... Obama was w/the President, and the Democrat Majority ...  So what ?

Do you know, that.....OBAMA.....voted 100% w/the Democrat party line ?
He is the #1 Liberal in the US Senate.

Where is his "Independence?"

As well, the overall voting record is for the most part on Bullshit mundane items that get all favorable passing.
to bundle all votes into a "Record" is hard.

Obama votes w/the President how much ??  Probably about 85% of the time. .....
What does THIS mean ??

Even Pelosi, the Most hard line socialist....and leader of the Dems in the house, votes w/the President better than 80% of the time.
She backed the President on the bail out bill as well.

So what ?

You all need to get off the talking points...and really do your own homework.
Stay informed.  Information is king.

Btw since when does begging for a deal and getting a door slammed in our face make us stronger?  That was never the reaction to failed Soviet-Us summit talks. Except when Gorby was the desperate one.

I like when McCain told him, Lowering Corp taxes will keep companies in the US, and attract others into the US.

He continued raising Corp taxes will only push Companies away from America, and he used Ireland as an example......

I wish He could really hammer this point home.

Agreed on the Obama Crusade.

"and on the medical plan, it will pay off eventuelly. Besides legal/insurance costs, there is another reason why the US health care is so expensive: it's because the poor only tend to visit a doctor when they're very ill, not with smaller things. This way, early detection and treatment of disease is very difficult. Patients in a later stage of a disease usually cost way more money. Treatment wise and unability to work wise."

Actually the poor go into emergency care centers with everything from diarrhea to a cold.  Average ER wait time in the LA area is 12 hours, in part because the county doesn't want to pay for emergency care centers and one got closed for being lethally incompetent. 

Health Insurance is basically a ponzi scheme.  If most people got back as much or more value than they paid in premiums, it would go broke.  That's why """republicans""" like Mitt Romney thought mandated insurance is a great wonderful idea.  It is! for the insurance companies because healthy people pay for benefits they don't use, that's one of the ways insurance companies survive.  The other is refusign to pay for things.

When I see you speaking of Ireland as an example, I know you're screwed.

The debate sucked.