26 (edited by avogadro 27-Sep-2008 03:11:30)

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> Theodora wrote:

> I said exactly what I meant to say. People may genuinely misinterpret it, but only because they're silly and see in shades of Black and White.

The first line of the link does smile Not the first line of East's post...or any line for that matter. big_smile

You know a lot of people only read the headlines or the titles big_smile First impressions are important!



And I said it was East. X(

"Or in this particular case, East crediting a politician for being the one to warn everyone, as well as implying that it was John McCain and John McCain alone who warned everyone, when really, it's the poor people who crunched the numbers, analyzed the situation and wrote the reports that should be given credit."


so you were getting all anal about a headline and an opening line? please oh please tell me that you're on your period or out of chocolate or something and you're not always this bitchy.

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Hmm just by reading the first page my stance is reinforced that Theo is a moron. GJ avoggadro for actually having the patience to even reply to such an idiot.

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A headline and opening line that represented his main point. An inaccurate one.

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30 (edited by avogadro 27-Sep-2008 04:24:39)

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> Theodora wrote:

> A headline and opening line that represented his main point. An inaccurate one.

not at all. his point was showing a point where McCain was more competent then Obama which does not hinge on the fact that McCain didnt single handedly investigate a major bank's paper's to find a discrepancy.

31 (edited by Theodora 27-Sep-2008 04:46:23)

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If McCain is not as competent as he portrays him to be, his point about Obama's is drastically weakened and/or negated.


That being said, I could have phrased what I meant in my previous post a bit more clearly. My bad.

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32 (edited by avogadro 27-Sep-2008 04:54:28)

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> Theodora wrote:

> If McCain is not as competent as he portrays him to be, his point about Obama's is drastically weakened and/or negated.


That being said, I could have phrased what I meant in my previous post a bit more clearly. My bad.


its only weakened if its not clear which was more competent about it, which clearly McCain was even if he didnt do it single handedly.

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So what you're saying is that McCain was clearly more knowledgeable about it?

In all honesty, I'm not sure how you get that from his post. Because all I see is a false implication about McCain's competence. I see nothing at all about Obama. No facts. No reports. Nothing.

So how one can infer that McCain is more knowledgeable from a post that only demonstrates that McCain can read a report, I do not know.

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it shows that McCain was the person to bring to the attention of the legislature this issue, which shows a greater competence towards the issue then Obama, even if his competence was gained simply from reading a report.

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But....he still doesn't have a solution =p

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36 (edited by Theodora 27-Sep-2008 05:07:22)

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The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight is a government organization. They were the ones who authored the report. So I'm pretty sure the government and legislature were aware it.


Having said that, in the brief link, McCain never once mentions being concerned about Fannie and Freddie because of an imminent crash resulting from a subprime mortgage crisis.

So even if I were to assume that McCain brought it to the legislature's attention (which I don't), that still doesn't show he had any particular foresight with regards to the ongoing ordeal.


There simply isn't enough information given in the first post to succesfully argue the point he was trying to make.

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if there was enough information there would be no debate.

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I guess it depends on how you interpreted successfully argue, smile


To me a successful argument is among other things rational, intelligent and well-thought out. It's not necessarily right.

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right and wrong are just labels people put on thoughts they dont understand, NOTHING is ever as simple as right and wrong.

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Actually yes, many things are as simple as right and wrong. tongue

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> Theodora wrote:

> Actually yes, many things are as simple as right and wrong. tongue

only in the eyes of a kid or idiot.

42 (edited by East 27-Sep-2008 18:10:16)

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"There simply isn't enough information given in the first post to succesfully argue the point he was trying to make."

Isn't there?

"John McCain was warning everyone about the status of Fannie and Freddie several years ago already and the economy isn't even his self proclaimed strong suit. What did Obama do in the mean time?"

Seems pretty clear to me, like avogadro already explained to you. It seems to me you have a very populist view of politics. Politicians aren't experts in the fields they legislate in and they are not detectives or accountants either. They rely on advisors, government bodies, their electorate and the people affected by particular issues (including lobbyists) to get a feel of what is going on. Then they study the information brought to them and decide what to do. In this case John McCain saw reports on malpractices in fannie and freddie and decided to cosponsor a bill to remedy this situation. Had more people realised what was going on in 2005 (before the worst of the worst excesses in the subprimes) the current situation would have been less dire.

Now Obama had access to the same information and not only that, but he also was aware that this bill had been proposed. So the question remains: what did he do?

You see I don't understand on what basis Obama could be called competent on economic matters and McCain somehow not competent, when Obama didn't even see something major coming like the current economic woes, let alone propose something to remedy it.

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But...McCain saw it and doesn't have a remedy. So I still fail to see the real purpose of the thread =p

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Nolio you miss the fact that he sponsored a bill to FIX the issue at that time? That he noted the fraud, the corruption, the bad practices? Or are you just blind, deaf, and dumb?

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FEDERAL HOUSING ENTERPRISE REGULATORY REFORM ACT OF 2005 -- (Senate - May 25, 2006)

[Page: S5217]  GPO's PDF

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   Mr. McCAIN. Mr. President, this week Fannie Mae's regulator reported that the company's quarterly reports of profit growth over the past few years were ``illusions deliberately and systematically created'' by the company's senior management, which resulted in a $10.6 billion accounting scandal.

   The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight's report goes on to say that Fannie Mae employees deliberately and intentionally manipulated financial reports to hit earnings targets in order to trigger bonuses for senior executives. In the case of Franklin Raines, Fannie Mae's former chief executive officer, OFHEO's report shows that over half of Mr. Raines' compensation for the 6 years through 2003 was directly tied to meeting earnings targets. The report of financial misconduct at Fannie Mae echoes the deeply troubling $5 billion profit restatement at Freddie Mac.

   The OFHEO report also states that Fannie Mae used its political power to lobby Congress in an effort to interfere with the regulator's examination of the company's accounting problems. This report comes some weeks after Freddie Mac paid a record $3.8 million fine in a settlement with the Federal Election Commission and restated lobbying disclosure reports from 2004 to 2005. These are entities that have demonstrated over and over again that they are deeply in need of reform.

   For years I have been concerned about the regulatory structure that governs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac--known as Government-sponsored entities or GSEs--and the sheer magnitude of these companies and the role they play in the housing market. OFHEO's report this week does nothing to ease these concerns. In fact, the report does quite the contrary. OFHEO's report solidifies my view that the GSEs need to be reformed without delay.

   I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.

   I urge my colleagues to support swift action on this GSE reform legislation.


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Note he co-sponsored it. Note he noted all the issues in details enough for a lay person, and noted the bill he wanted passed.

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What do you mean Obama didn't have a clue? He was their 2nd largest recipient of campaign contributions. You bet your ass he knew and did everything he could to keep their CEOs happy! And you bet your ass they're happy now that they got out with dozens of millions each while they ran their companies into the ground.

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