Yeah, Gladiator is in love with Obama =p

Though I like him and will vote for him, I still realize he's a man and a human being and errors will come about. Either way, Obama/McCain are better than bush!

If there were an Ebay of Obama's poo (new one daily!) I am 100% sure Gladiator would be trying his hardest to get some.

Hehe come to think of it that's probably true

rofl

that is so true =p

Say does anyone else think it's very unpresidential of McSame that, while they were supposed to issue a joint statement, McSame allofthesudden made a statement of his own, one that even implies him getting out of a debate about the matter?

the joint statement is typical of Obama.  he wants to put his name on things that might look good and stay far away from anything that would make him look bad.  hence his staying away from the debate on the financial crisis in Washington.  A joint statement does nothing. legislation actually gets something done but obama doesnt want that.  he is frantically trying to spin this to look good for him.

i wasnt talking about the debate theo  

besides the debate that was scheduled for friday is on foreign policy.  their is no talk about having a debate on this specific financial crisis between the two candidates.  the debate i was talking about is the debate in congress to get a piece of legislation passed.  The two candidates are senators and should be participating.

> Theodora wrote:

> Assuming what you say about the debate is true Soth:

A debate on the financial crisis in Washington would be fairly idiotic and serve no purpose, unless they both plan on replicating the financial crisis and/or the circumstances that led to it when they take the helm.

In general for election debates,

Debates on general issues (e.g. foreign affairs, the economy, domestic policy etc.) = good.

Debates on specific issues (Cowboys vs. Redskins, Abortion, Osama bin Laden, this financial crisis etc.)  = bad.

As an aside, I don't care what Obama or McCain has to say about the current financial crisis anyway. Neither of them are economists. Neither of them have any training that would give them knowledge of this specific situation. So who cares what their opinions are? They both just rely on their own experts to tell them what they need to know. If I were American, I'd be more interested in their general views on the economy, since at least there, there are multiple approaches.

Of course, maybe I'm underestimating McCain. Maybe he's  far more conservative than I believe him to be and advocates letting the companies sink or swim on their own merits, instead of bailing them out."

thats pretty idiotic reasoning there theo. we should just ignore candidate's actions before they're president because the exact same situation isnt going to occur in the future. or maybe we could look at their actions to see the type of steps they might take if a similar situation happens during their presidency, yeah, that seems way more reasonable.

have you been paying attention the last few weeks?  when ever any of them make a public appearance they try to out do the other in their abilities to be "bipartisan" so Obama thinks that suggesting a joint statement makes him look as though he is initiating the cooperation to help this crisis. however, like i said, a statement does nothing.  its just face time.  So McCain is going to go and actually do something about it.

OMG

how dare you guys   i actually tried to be unbiased in this one thread, i swear

and avo, i'm starting to think you aren't so biased, i'm not saying that just cuz you oppose me every single time, but like i said

mccain made a great move, but he didn't play it right, he didn't play it considering the situation... he could've made it much better i would think

ok now response to your actual post on the last page:
"Obama saying he called McCain and was talking about a joint statement changes none of this. Obama going to Washington changes none of this. "
obama called mccain first and then they talked about suspending campaign and moving debate, obama said lets put out the joint statement and let's let the campaigns figure the debate thing out -- later he sees mccain on tv at his hotel, talking about suspending this campaign

this was a good move from obama because:
now he's seen as the one who initiated the move, and mccain is just seen as the guy who jumped the gun and wanted to take his own politcial gains and now i'm not saying mccain did this just for politics... but what do you think the media will say?(remember the media has a big part in this)
the media is, and will continue to say this, and ask this of their correspondents: "how do you think this political move will play out with voters?" or "why do you think mccain made this politcal move? - response: oh he's slipping in the polls you know" and many many other questions, twisted and picked at,

now the other thing:
"gladiator, you do realize for debate, there needs to be two sides, if McCain doesnt show up, it isnt a debate, and if Obama shows up, first it gives the impression McCain's time is more valuable then Obama's. 2nd it gives the impression McCain takes the economic problems more seriously, and third it makes Obama seem shallow because he's more concerned with being on TV then helping the country. "

lol, you make it seem like, obama will be standing on the stage waiting for mccain, or vice-versa
that's not how it works , the campaigns will have negotiated this before hand
and also remember, mccain didn't say he's not guna show up at the debate, he just said he would like the debate to be re-scheduled
but the organizers aren't doing it anyways, so it's guna happen, you can bet on it
ok this is where opinions come in, i do think it's a nice political move as i mentioned before since it does show you taking a step for the economy and that's great for mccain as he's clearly loosing on the economy issue, BUT I believe it won't work too well for him, considering the situation and all the variables like the media(newspaper, television, radio, web), obama and the democrats repeating these statements --"obama initated it...we don't need the presidential election politics in the congress with this bill ... we already have the bill almost passed...american people deserve a debate...obama's helping anyways, over the phones and he's talking to us"

"Obama seem shallow because he's more concerned with being on TV then helping the country"
COME ON
name one politician who wouldn't love it to be covered by the media 24/7

Ok. Republicans finally stalled the bailout plan understanding the importance of having McCain "Country first I'm going to Washington" have a play in this.

Now, I need somebody with right views explain to me why these scallywags did not do it directly, from the moment they learnt about the McCain's move.

Please, I seriously don't get it (which annoys me), just tell me why on earth they were "reaching an agreement" just before McCain could have an infuence?

I mean how on earth could you pretend to be a republican and not instantly grasp the fact that you need to wait for McCain to save the day?

And spare me the "they're above campainging needs, just acting professionals" piece, we all saw the dabate or at least part of it.

WHY?

Theo,

Can I have your number?