> K

you post doesnt even make sense

"it is cause of mans depravity and wickedness, mans sin"

what is becos of all that? are you telling us he is gay becos a bunch of other people were sinful. that rather makes homosexuality something that can't be helped.

I don't think homosexuality is normal but that doesnt necessarily make it bad and it certainly doesnt give you the right to judge and criticise it and them. so as i said on the previous page. spread your happiness and keep your negative thoughts to yourself.

well, that's a nice scheme. "support our system and we'll guarantee you nothing in return". man, if only walmart managed the same business idea.

show me one satisfied customer who gave positive feedback on the afterlife this religion provided for him?

what a long post to say there is none.

Aww yes... I see the Christian thread is thriving on this new forum... This time round, I'll refrain from anti- religious remarks

BTW, Decimus, are you intentionally trying to start a riot here lol? You are the most un- believing IC player that I know of, yet I see you'll already made a few posts here.

Or are you trying to draw recruits for your own cult... the Temple of Deci!

@ windowsME --> i would love to dig into it, but i simply don't have the time to do it, just to give you an example, i read an article in a scientific magazine that compared the timeline of what really happened (by historical research) with that from the bible.  If you really want it i can look it up again and post it, but as i said my time is limited.
Also the bible containing holes is just a small part of my whole point, even if it was historically correct for the most part, the things about God and such could still have been just added by someone to make it fancier.
And frankly i don't need to dig anymore, i've seen so many things confirming over and over again that make the chance of God  existing in the way any religion describes him so incredibly small that i possibly can't believe in him with all the good intentions in the world. If you just think about human psychology for a bit and history it's not too hard to put together that religion was invented to explain the unexplainable and to have something to hope for. And from there it evolved into what it is now.  The whole evolution theory makes so much sense too if you actually think about it for a moment.  Religion, the bible, and God how he's described wouldn't make sense to me even if i wanted it to.  I used to believe in God when i was a kid, but around the age of 12-13 it got less and less, because i started thinking for myself and started putting things together, not just believing what some guy in a robe says or what some book says anymore.

also "and I'll be honest, I imagine I've seen more."
I doubt that, i also read alot of scientific magazines

And you want 100% proof of evolution before you believe it(while there is no 100% proof but all signs point to that it did happen and is still going on), but you believe a religion just like that without any proof whatsoever, with even more signs pointing in the direction that it's all a big lie.  That is what i find very strange.

Well, after actually reading this entire thread, I have to re nag (a little) on my earlier promise.

"But if God is smacked, I will stand up and defend him boldly."
Excuse me Joe, but has god ever come to you and said 'I have been smacked ... stand much for me boitch' (Yes, god talks gettho... why else would he have created millions of poverty stricken ppl in the US?)

As for the rest of you crazy TexaRepubogelist's [I realize not all Christians met with description, and people like KC have my sympathy for having to put up with them ruining the image of everyone else] out there, did you ever think about the convince of some of the rules in the bible?
Look at homosexuality... back 20 years ago, the planet was very sparsely populated, even in areas where believers lived. Therefore, tabooing homosexuality was a good was to promote procreation. But in a world increasingly becoming over populated, homosexual couples could be the key to population control.
Now, the thing about meat/ kosher in the Torah. Don't you find it very convenient that the way of preparing meat in the bible, actually delays bacterial growth in the meat? If the Jews/ early christians ate only kosher meat, their chances of getting ill/ dieing from food poisoning would be decreased, probably significantly.

I personally think the bible was created, whether it was a conscience thought between several individuals or not, was to ensure the steady growth of humanity. All the god crap that got tossed in was just to make sure people followed them... like telling a child the bogeyman will get them if they eat too many cookies.

But that is the problem, christians and non-believers, they try to answer  the question about religion and if they were honest,(christians- which means to be Christ like), its not about religion.
It is about having a relationship with our heavenly father, (not denominations, or whos doctrine is better, etc...), it is about a personal relationship with GOD ( and it is not a homosexual one either ).

if a christian was to answer then it would be through their experience, and knowledge, and what they were taught.

feed me Seymour! feed me! I like cherry cheese cake
that cherry cheese cake was good Seymour. More!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dr Blue of Blue

"Real quick, got a few holes and historical inaccuracies?  I'd love to see/discuss them a bit."

Yeah, I could give some.
For example, there's no historical, geological or archaeological evidence for the Deluge or big flood as described in the Bible. The only thing that comes close is the breaking of the Bosporus, changing the Black sea into a saltwater sea, while it was a lake before that. But that happened quite some time before people even started to settle, or even knew how to make a large ship
I should give myself some more time to come up with others (perhaps after wednesday, when my uberimportant assignment is done)

"we know we must focus on them all.  Its not a "pick and choose" book"

That's exactly what it is. Every book in the new testament was valued and then added or rejected, making it a very filtered version. There are a lot of apocryphe testaments, like the one of Magdalena, or Peter or Thomas. So it's exactly a "pick and choose" book.

""evolution is hocus-pocus and hand waving.  Bring me a fossil record, bring me proof... And yet we accept it so freely.  I know that micro-evolution occurs, I don't have a problem with that.  But macro stands on weak, weak ground.""

Oh, and there's solid proof for creationism? The only thing that comes even close to prove it is the existance of the rivers "tigris" and "euphrates". Accepting the existance of DNA and DNA alterations (like with the creation of a new genetic being, or less positive cancer), is evolution on a small scale. Accepting that, is accepting evolutionism. It's true that we don't know everything about it yet and that there are serious question marks to resolve. Creationism on the other hand is nothing more then bogus. I don't understand why people still believe in it, when the alternative doesn't exclude a deist view (and thus a religious view) on the matter. Believing in creationism is not listening to arguements and locking yourself up in a non-existant mentally projected world..

so what you're saying is that you have a homosexual relationship with god, john wayne?

(that's one sentence i never guessed i'd say.)