Topic: McCain Suspends Campaign! Smart move?

well here's my view of it

very smart political move, i don't think there's a doubt
but where i see it, being not so smart is, the media picking at it, they're guna and already are saying, political move, smart or not, not even questioning if it was a political move... and i don't think many people will think of it not as a political move, partly because of the media
they also should've thought that people will criticize him for running away from the debate and not giving what the people of america deserve,

i guess mccain will counter that by saying he actually tried to solve the issues on capital hill...

now i originally thought that obama would've followed mccain, but what he did was also smart
came out and said:
i initiated the call to mccain, and we are working on a joint statement
did a little attack by saying something along the lines of i had hoped the joint statement would come out first but someone was a little anxious(i don't have the exact quote, but that's what i understood of what he actually said)
and then he continues saying, i've been talking with everyone all week
have said whenever they want me, i will be there whenever i'm asked to
said we should multi-task and give america the debate they deserve it... and meanwhile also solve issues on capital hill


now my question is, did mccain jump the gun, and should he have waited? do you think it is a smart political move by mccain? and what do you think of obama's response-effective?

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Seems he is trying to gain more blue collar and executive type support.

Interesting move, but I dunno... but it is Presidential to try to tackle a possible black friday event.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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maybe its strategically important, but I still think he and your god obama are unworthy to rule a small grocery. I hope whoever wins never turns out as bad as they appear.

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It's asinine.  He should have just gone back to Washington and yakked to them AS PART OF HIS CAMPAIGN TO GET ELECTED PRESIDENT.  Or is he acting as Senator from Arizona to establish the powers of the Obama Administration?

I don't want a bailout anyhow, and I feel sure nobody is spinning their wheels waiting to hear from McCain.

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here's how i view it.  The both of them are senators and should be doing there jobs in congress regardless of whether or not they are running for president.  however, Congress in the united states is in the business of work making.  its not a real job where something is actually accomplished or built.  instead it makes other peoples jobs harder.  90% of what senators do is useless and comes to nothing.   so essentially 90% of their time is wasted in congress. McCain is putting to much stock in the work of those political leaders and should not suspend his campaign.  however, i do have to give him credit for trying his hardest to help this situation become resolved.

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Isn't congress on vacation?

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I think it's a brilliant idea poorly executed. McCain understands that "bipartisan show" is where he could beat his opponent, specially now that Palin secured hardcore republicans.

But. Trying to frame Obama as "agreeing or not" to be part of the thing, paternalizing-BW-way is a stupid mistake, as it automatically gives weapons to the other side who will suggest: manipulation.

McCain would have been a hell of a lot better just using the economic hype to show bipartisanship abilities and willingness, without trying to exact a price form Obama's camp. Failed move.

From the other side, despite obvious joy to talk economic, I think Obama strategists understand that talking foreign policy now is the way to go, as it will be drown into the economic mess, instead of providing fuel later on to McCain's "we don't negociate with terrorists" acclaimed stand. I wouldn't be surprised to see them refusing a change in the debates calendar.


Overall, a good idea poorly executed this time, and I would not be surprised to see McCain use more of that "I'm not Bush" bipartisanship "where is my opponent" type of thing. which is effective.

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your text ain't piratised yikes

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Celebration!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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indeed! big_smile

'and a bottle o' rhum!

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Give it a few more hours, then the doom comes sad

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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Still, I stay by my non-pirate take: McCain is right to push on the bipartisan skills, he can seriously score there, but should not have tried to fry Obama at the same time.

(Kind of like what happened with the Palin's plan: works brilliantly, so don't let strategists try too hard to link it to Obama, stoopids!)

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Arr me buckos!  Pirate day be here'n our hearts! Yo ho ho an' a bottle o'rum!

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Golk
you hit it spot on, with the idea that obama knows they have to get foriegn policy in right now
exactly why this coming debate is now on foriegn policy, as McCain and Obama agreed to it, don't know why mccain agreed to it, i would think they're smart enough to keep the big blows at the end, and foriegn policy is mccain's big blow, possibly his only big blow

also Golk, it would've been hard for the idea to work either way, regardless of how he put it or timing, because media was just guna pick at it, and pick at it and pick at it, because frankly they wouldn't have much bigger news for quite some time tongue and even they did, they'd still squeeze in some time to pick at it big_smile

and Einstein, how does this shoe him aiming for more blue-collar workers, please explain ..

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when has a President ever had the luxury of just one crisis or situation at a time?

A president should be able to compartmentalize his time and work on things. That is why he's got a BIG ass staff of people who have their own staffs to work on things.

a presidential candidate who cant do more than one thing at a time will be effectively ineffectual. McSame showed a weak point today.


Obama tried contacting for a joint statement...McSame saw it was a good move and tried to 'one up' him.

What has happened on the market wouldnt be such a big deal if the US hadnt been spending billions of dollars a day in the Iraq war we're stuck in.

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We should do nothing and let recession smash some crooks.

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17 (edited by Gladiator 25-Sep-2008 00:57:59)

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TMK

yikes i would've thought you're a "McSame" supporter

tongue



yeh i agree with yell,
i dont have any stocks anymore, so i could care less
and personally it would be the single dumbest thing to give 2 baldies a cheque for 700 billion dollars accepting the bill which says that the two baldies or any CEO's can't go to jail and they can do whatever they want with the money
for all we know, they're guna take the money and buy an island together, build a mansion and fly over swedish prostitutes, doubt they could pick up women themselves tongue
not to mention that the price of the assets will be set by some unknown individuals

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I would like to know though....


what is the criteria for bailing out certain companies and not others? is it purely by lobbying power? connections to the white house (aka cheney)? why are some financial institutions getting left out and some getting covered?


why isnt there an investigation? When Enron and other companies did exactly the same thing (pumping up stocks...making investments look good to clients when they knew they were crap) they got prosecuted....no bail out. But THIS time around, there are blank checks and pardons.


why does the white house want to give a blank check and not put in any provisions for the companies to pay back the money when they get back on their feet? why is there no call for regulation (Bush cut back the cash for regulators) increases?




A bail out would be a bad thing for the economy. However, if the bill passed with provisions that the companies had to pay back the loans over a 30-40 year time frame....people would see it as a bump in the system.....not a "oh crap, we're screwed so hard the government has to flood the market with cash to keep things afloat".

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It was a very smart move.

It makes

1. Obama frustrated. He planned and prepared for Friday. This increases the chance of him going ballistic and messing up, and gives McCain more time to prepare.
2. It makes Obama look insignificant.
3. It makes McCain look like he's concenred.

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@TMK

You're sorely misinformed.  The FBI has already begun an investigation into Freddie and Fannie.  Enron was a scandal and the economy wasn't going to go spiraling downwards because of it.  However, these are large financial institutions that are failing.  I would've agreed with Yell if it was just one institution that had failed, but these are 4-5 large institutions.  Imagine the backlash from letting all of them fail.  We could see the financial breakdown that helped spur the Great Depression.

And they are still working on the entire plan.  I expect a lot of concessions to be made to make sure the economy will at least avoid a breakdown.  In my opinion, I would rather have the government takeover those institutions and dissolve/sell them.

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See my thread.

I made it as simple as possible.

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22 (edited by Gladiator 25-Sep-2008 04:35:01)

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Justin, i couldn't dis-agree more

It was a very smart move.
- I agree FULLY, BUT it wasn't played right, t wasn't played with the situations in mind either

It makes

1. Obama frustrated. He planned and prepared for Friday. This increases the chance of him going ballistic and messing up, and gives McCain more time to prepare.
- you do understand the debate is still going on right? unless mccain doesn't show up.. the co-ordinators have said it's going on, obama has said it's going on, mccain has invited obama to say no -- but obama countered by saying, i'm going to washington(he's going tomorow with mccain) and then i'll be back for the debate becuase we can multitask and america deserves answers

2. It makes Obama look insignificant.
- remember that, obama is still going to washington, you know you can do both right? and i personally believe that the counter, that it is all politics, and that mccain just wants to get away from the issues, as they have been hitting hard on that already --- is a great counter for this situation and with the media hitting on that too, it should resenate

3. It makes McCain look like he's concenred.
- yes that's the one good aspect of it, IF he had played his cards right but i don't think he did
30 minutes later, obama came out and said he initiated the call(expect him and democrats to repeat this over and over again) and he said, he talked with mccain, they agreed that something needed be done, obama proposed a joint statement from the two campaigns, obama then said something that i understood to be: him saying that he understood they were going to release the joint statement first and then have the campaigns decide further, but then he was shocked when he went to his hotel to find mccain suspending his campaign

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gladiator, you do realize for debate, there needs to be two sides, if McCain doesnt show up, it isnt a debate, and if Obama shows up, first it gives the impression McCain's time is more valuable then Obama's. 2nd it gives the impression McCain takes the economic problems more seriously, and third it makes Obama seem shallow because he's more concerned with being on TV then helping the country.

Obama saying he called McCain and was talking about a joint statement changes none of this. Obama going to Washington changes none of this.


this view is coming from someone who hates both candidates and looks at neither under rose colored glasses, unlike gladiator.

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supall,

there has been an investigation into two people....thats it. Who CONFESSED to screwing over investors and playing with their companies money...

what about the other guys in other companies that did the SAME DAMN THING???

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@avogrado, Justinian and Gladiator

You're all wrong. And right.


The only way it looks is in the opinions of the people who care about the debate and about the bailout.

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