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A New Stitch in a Bad Pattern
September 2, 2008



A McCain ad wrongly claims Obama plans "painful tax increases" for working families. And who's talking about deficits?




Summary:


McCain's new ad puts another stitch in what we've called his pattern of deceit on Obama's tax plan. This one claims Obama and congressional Democrats plan to push forward "painful tax increases on working American families" and that they will bring about "years of deficits," "no balanced budgets" and "billions in new government spending." 

The ad is plain wrong about higher taxes on working families. In fact, Obama's economic plan would produce a tax cut for the majority of American households, with middle-income earners benefiting most. As for "years of deficits," exactly the same claim could be made about McCain's program. It's unlikely either Obama or McCain would balance the budget, and both are projected to increase the debt by trillions.

Analysis:


We've already reported on at least three other ads, in both Spanish and English, from Sen. John McCain's campaign that distort his rival's tax policy. The ads claim that, for example, Democratic Sen. Barack Obama would raise taxes "on the sale of your home" and that he has a "history of raising taxes" and that he wanted to raise taxes on "families" making just $42,000 a year.

Claims like these have led us to say that McCain's campaign is engaging in a "pattern of deceit" when it comes to describing Obama's tax plan. This most recent ad fits right into the template.


Tax Counter-Spin:

The ad says Obama and

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2 Reply by bladenosh (edited by bladenosh 19-Sep-2008 10:13:29)

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Proposes tax cuts for the majority of Americans...   Great way to get votes. Now I'm not tryin' to go to either side yet, but this phrase pisses me off. In lowerin' the taxes on the "majority", he will be raisin' taxes on our businesses.  Our tax rate on businesses is huge in America as it is.  Obama wants to raise it even more.  This, believe it or not, impacts ALL Americans.  This is why business is boomin' in India (28% corp. tax)

Obama's adds even thrash McCain for proposing tax cuts for our businesses. Except they sub in "oil companies" for businesses. Oil companies are being demonized and bringing other corporations with them. TAX CUTS ON BUSINESS ARE NECESSARY FOR GROWTH!
And to add... "record profits for oil companies"? Sounds like they frustratingly don't care anything about us. Realize, oil is a limited commodity. The demand for oil has TRIPLED in the passed eight years with India and China coming to the industrial forefront. In this triple, oil companies have doubled profits (triple sales, double profits?). The high price of oil is a good thing in the long term. We are forced to conserve current oil supplies and research alternatives. The scientific community has stressed the need to research these alternatives for a long time, but only now has it finally become an issue the common man concerns himself with. These hardships are OUR fault, not the oil companies. People refused to fund alternative energy endeavors in the past, but now there is no choice. Summation, it is not the oil company's fault the demand on a limited commodity has jumped.

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Re: Counter to Flint's post about Obama's spending plan

Obama also wants more capital gains taxes.  This means if ye sell yer house ye ARE GOING TO PAY TAXES IN HIGHER AMOUNTS ON THAT SALE.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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Tax cuts fer business be th' bottom line profit booster.  if ye want real growth give th' dubloons t' th' workin' an' th' students, by Blackbeard's sword.  This is th' largest area o' dubloons bein' spent.  If ye give th' 300 million scallywags a break o' 500 pieces of eight each, this is more dependin' on household size but go along with me.  And swab the deck!  thats o'er 1.5 billion.  a tax break fer a company is about im guessin' 500 million?  an' thats goin' t' one company, to be sure.  wouldnt ye rather help out th' familys get what they need who spend thar dubloons on th' companys products instead o' just givin' th' companies dubloons in which case th' govt should just buy th' company an' run it.

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5 Reply by Einstein (edited by Einstein 19-Sep-2008 17:30:59)

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Employers make employees. Tax them to much and they cannot buy between eachother...  and then they reduce jobs, and then the "person on the end" gets the shaft

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Unemployment is under 5% nationwide, about half be career criminals, ya bilge rat, All Hands Hoay! un employment is good an' ye still have an unemployment check an' if worse comes t' worse join th' army, theres always a garunteed job thar.  an' companies be just jackin' up thar price on everythin' cause they can.

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7 Reply by Einstein (edited by Einstein 19-Sep-2008 18:18:13)

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No they are jacking prices up because of transportation costs, which has been "significant" recently.

And the Army refuses anyone with even minor medical issues at this moment. So less than 10% of the population is even eligible when you consider age and other factors as well.

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Re: Counter to Flint's post about Obama's spending plan

Einstein, i wanna hear this from you...

McCain lied in his ad when he said that obama would raise taxes on working families.

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He will raise taxes, there is no possible way to fund his programs without doing so.

It's a mathmatical certainty.

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Uh, its a lie to say a Democrat president is gonna push for a tax hike because he won't campaign as saying "I'm gonna push for a tax hike"? 

I guess it's also a lie that the American Fascist Party hates blacks, because that's not in their literature.

When every Democrat president since Kennedy hikes taxes on the middle class, to pay for social policies that every democrat nominee pushes for, guess what??

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Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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Re: Counter to Flint's post about Obama's spending plan

well Einstein... that's with both candidates, more so with McCain as McCain will give taxbreaks to everyone, will continue the war

where will the money come for mccain? is he friends with God or sum? he's promising now over 6000 dollars for working families, where the hell is that money guna come from?

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McCain wont "continue the war"... He knows what war is like. He has already said American troops will be placed out of cities and into bases where they can respond to worst case events.

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McCain didnt lie when he said Obama would raise taxes on Working families. because working families is any family that has someone thats employed. so if Obama raises taxes on anything, such as capital gains taxes, he's raising taxes on working families... sure, its stated in a way to make it look bad, but its an ad for join McCain and Obama does just as bad; you gotta expect a bias...

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ahh the twisted words of the republicans..
reminds me of the SNL skit
"universal healthcare - obama wants to give healthcare to the entire universe, including Osama bin laden, we can't have a president that wants to keep bin laden healthy, -i'm john mccain and i approove this message"



and Einstein...regardless, he will still be spending more money in Iraq than Obama -- he will still be spending money on iraqis instead of americans...
and you failed to answer my question, where will John McCain get the money?

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Cut welfare and student aid to fund the war.  War is a federal job and those aren't.

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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> Gladiator wrote:

> ahh the twisted words of the republicans..
reminds me of the SNL skit
"universal healthcare - obama wants to give healthcare to the entire universe, including Osama bin laden, we can't have a president that wants to keep bin laden healthy, -i'm john mccain and i approove this message"



and Einstein...regardless, he will still be spending more money in Iraq than Obama -- he will still be spending money on iraqis instead of americans...
and you failed to answer my question, where will John McCain get the money?


oh, ok, Mr. blind to everything democrats do. twisted words like someone supports big oil because he says he supports businesses...

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Re: Counter to Flint's post about Obama's spending plan

OFFCOURSE i'm blind to everything bad democrats do(it's less than repubs atleast wink
just like you're blind to EVERYTHING republicans do...

it's my job to point out your blindness, and what you're missing
it's your job to point out mine

big_smile Obama08! The Truth big_smile

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Re: Counter to Flint's post about Obama's spending plan

no, because i dont support McCain, i dont support republicans. i hate republicans, im not blind to anything they do. you're just blind.

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dude whoever keeps giving me tag points, either go big or dont!

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Re: Counter to Flint's post about Obama's spending plan

well great then big_smile

call me the blindie, who do you support avo?

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Re: Counter to Flint's post about Obama's spending plan

i dont support either candidate. i support more parties to create more competition to create better choices in the future.

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22 Reply by Gladiator (edited by Gladiator 22-Sep-2008 00:49:23)

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well you gotta choice between

nader and that other dude tongue
for president aswell..

pick one, so i can bash you wink

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23 Reply by avogadro (edited by avogadro 22-Sep-2008 00:51:29)

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i dont support either of them, when i vote for one, it will be to the one that will do the best to increase competition in the future, not because i like the 3rd party.

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well good luck with that then..

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Re: Counter to Flint's post about Obama's spending plan

Vampire Ninja Penguin wrote:

Cut welfare and student aid to fund the war.  War is a federal job and those aren't.

Then you'd have the same social situation in our homeland that you have in Iraq more or less.

It's bad enough that our economy has suffered due to this prolonged war on whatever we decide it's on today, but cutting off funds to help those less fortunate only makes matters worse.

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